I played Diablo IV Beta

[shotgunharry]

and i'm not impressed at all. You can't even rotate the camera. The graphics are meh. For me, Grim Dawn is still the better game. Saved 70 euro. After 6 years/500 hours playtime i'm ready for something new, but nope...

[Devlin]

same here, diablo 4 is to simple, to basic, there are much better arpgs than diablo 4

[ShaftAlmighty]

Blizzard hasn't made anything good since the merger.

[Shitbone]

Very true. I wish for a Grim Dawn 2 someday.

[lilac]

they are both pretty fun games just waiting for full release and optimization fixes

[shotgunharry]

hahaha, so smooth

[kafersaft]

"You can't even rotate the camera"
Yes, the #1 thing that makes or breaks an ARPG, camera rotation.

[shotgunharry]

sarcasm is guess. yes. but once you have it you can't be without it.

[Morphic]

Originally posted by Archadian(SK):

Problem is it is just reskined Diablo 3 but if you notice gameplay, animations, and spell effects are pretty much same.

Glad it isn't just me that thinks that. I mean, D3 was decent enough after a few months post release.... but it isn't that unique and, IMO, there is not a lot of replayability to it.

So D4 seemed quite "meh" to me, especially compared to Grim Dawn or Path of Exile. Maybe D4 will be better after release, but I highly doubt that.

[MedeaFleecestealer]

Originally posted by shotgunharry:

sarcasm is guess. yes. but once you have it you can't be without it.

Depends on the player. Personally I don't use camera rotation. I see no need for it in the games I play. Others will feel differently. I know I can't watch streamers who use camera rotation because it makes me feel sick.

[powbam]

Originally posted by kafersaft:

"You can't even rotate the camera"
Yes, the #1 thing that makes or breaks an ARPG, camera rotation.

Some people hate it. Some people, like me, love it.

While I wouldn't go as far as to put it in "make or break" territory it's one of those things that are up high on the list for me. About 10+ years ago right before GD went into early access I was mucking around with TQ wishing I could find a mod that set the camera free. Then came GD and I rejoiced that we finally had a diablo-like that wasn't trying to gimp me.

So yeah.. I can survive without if need be but damn am I happier when I'm blitzing around Cairn flicking the camera every which way that I please.

[kekkuli]

Originally posted by kafersaft:

"You can't even rotate the camera"
Yes, the #1 thing that makes or breaks an ARPG, camera rotation.

Never done that in an arpg, and never will! But yeah D4 seems like it's more of a mmoarpg, and i'm no fan of that. However, the game plays well, looks&sounds very good. Combat has real impact to it which is important. If GD 2 is ever to happen, i hope they can make the combat feel nicer.

[SlasH]

Originally posted by TakeMyShit:

Very true. I wish for a Grim Dawn 2 someday.

+1

[Stone IV]

Originally posted by TakeMyShit:

Very true. I wish for a Grim Dawn 2 someday.

I'm probably dead when that happens.

[Erikkustrife]

Originally posted by Archadian(SK):

Problem is it is just reskined Diablo 3 but if you notice gameplay, animations, and spell effects are pretty much same.

You forgot the /s.

[celticarmoury]

I played the OB, and promptly refunded my preorder. This game is light years ahead imo. Not to mention this one has endless mods.