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Zephkiel Dec 26, 2022 @ 2:33pm
Purifier, sorcerer, or shieldbreaker for a first time bomb chucker?
Title.
Also is Purifier viable with a firestrike build? (would allow me to have a different playstyle than just casting)
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It honestly doesn't matter, or maybe it would if you play on hardcore but I can't advice you on that.

Just pick whatever you think you'd like the best. And yes Purifier with Fire Strike definitely is viable (though honestly pretty much anything is viable), Fire Strike synergizes excellently with the weapon pool skills from Inquisitor (especially Bursting Round and Storm Spread) though at that point you're not gonna have much points for any bomb throwing, but it does open that alternate playstyle for you at least.
Wintermute Dec 27, 2022 @ 3:20am 
Shieldbreaker. It offers fantastic support to bombing.

Purifier with FS is also amazing.
Safarel Dec 27, 2022 @ 5:52am 
Shieldbreaker are strong to make a bomber
Zephkiel Dec 27, 2022 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by Wintermute:
Shieldbreaker. It offers fantastic support to bombing.

Purifier with FS is also amazing.
How does purifier compare to shieldbreaker for casting?
Also does shieldbreaker synergise well with FS? i ask if one day i wanna switch up game style...will literally be the name of this char, i'm discovering, thats why i dont ask build or anything, just general directions
Wintermute Dec 27, 2022 @ 7:25am 
Originally posted by Zephkiel:
How does purifier compare to shieldbreaker for casting?
Also does shieldbreaker synergise well with FS? i ask if one day i wanna switch up game style...will literally be the name of this char, i'm discovering, thats why i dont ask build or anything, just general directions

Well, Oathkeeper has fantastic buffs to fire damage - and that's really it. It get resist shred from Guardians, Ascension buff and Divine Mandate for exclusive skill which Demo lacks on itself. And Vire's Might with the fire trail for proccing. Mostly, its going to play as support to the demo side.

Purifier gets exclusive skill for resist shred, buffs from Seal - and that's mostly it. it does have actual fire spells to mix in with bombs. Flames of Ignaffar and Rune of Kalastor. Both are somewhat of an acquired taste, so make sure you actually want to use those skills.

As for FS, if you intend to do it ranged, Inquisitor absolutely wins over Oathkeeper. Otherwise, Oathkeeper will offer the same kind of buffs as to the bomber playstyle, which are just generally good on pretty much any build in the game. And Judgement, with some gearing towards it, is just fun spell to pull trash mobs into you.
Robert Dec 27, 2022 @ 8:18am 
For different playstyles if you think you wanna try something else later, every class combination has some. With Inquisitor you could go for ranged auto attacker or Flames of Ignaffar as your main attacking move.

With Oathkeeper you could go all melee auto attack with either Fire Strike or Righteous Fervor, or just invest more in Oathkeeper's offensive skills like Aegis of Menhir, Judgment, and Vire's Mights, or use Eye of Reckoning as your main attacking move.

With Arcanist there's 3 whole skills that can be used for spamming being Panetti's Replicating Missile, Callidor's Tempest, and Albrecht's Ather Ray, along with of course all the other different offensive spell moves the class has available.


I might also take theming into account when making a build. If I were to make a bomb throwing build I wouldn't pick Arcanist because it's a very mage like class and clashes with the whole bomb throwing identity if I was aiming for it.

Only classes I'd really consider then would be Inquisitor and Oathkeeper, and they both have their own good points.
Last edited by Valentine (Lunaticus); Dec 27, 2022 @ 8:55am
Originally posted by Robert:
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/11177

Neat item for purifier
This is actually a good point because I completely forgot to mention how items can drastically alter the build possibilities you can make even allowing you to transform skills into completely different elements.

You can check that stuff here (https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/skill-modifiers), for the most part it's endgame items that do this, but there are some Monster Infrequent items that also do this that are obtainable sooner or later during the playthrough meaning you could use them as you level up.

Monster Infrequents are items that are obtained either from a specific named monster (usually also named after the monster) or specific types of monster (like Grobble Shaman type enemies for example).
Last edited by Valentine (Lunaticus); Dec 27, 2022 @ 8:54am
Zephkiel Dec 28, 2022 @ 2:56am 
Thank you very much all.
I've decided to put sorcerer away. I've documented myself a bit more and, while it seems meta compared to the 2 others, i think i wont like it. idk, i do not connect at all with the class.
So, still undecided for my 2nd mastery but i'm getting here.
I really dont know what i should play, shieldbreaker seems a bit better in the bombing departement, but purifier seems more fluid.
Tough decision.
If you have a final insight on both class and their respective power level as caster mostly, i'd gladly take it

Thanks!
Wintermute Dec 28, 2022 @ 4:12am 
Purifier is definitely more fluid if you ever feel like switching playstiles. As for power, every class combo in the game is able to clear the endgame, and you're far from taking the wonkiest combos. Both will be perfectly valid.

Sorc should also be fine, but I think it's mostly played with arcanist spells. Didn't make one yet.

Can also take a look at Occultist for Pyromancer combo. It also ranges from FS to different casters fairly well, and even has some hybrid pet builds to it. Though it's much glassier than Purifier. On the other hand, you won't have to hump the Inquisitor's seal all the time.
Last edited by Wintermute; Dec 28, 2022 @ 4:16am
Zephkiel Dec 28, 2022 @ 10:36am 
Thank you very much!
Yeah, spamming seal seems cumbersome haha... but it definitly feels more versatile.
Thanks for the input!
edit : oh last question, while you talk about glassyness...is shieldbreaker tankier or not? Seals seems good and also there was one that healed wich sound nice, especially considering i play with a friend so bonus added for jolly cooperation.
Shield break seems to not have heal but have some defense mechanics...do they outweight that?

Also, in general, does caster has some form of sustain attainable through stuff? I mean some sort of life leech or health per cast.
Last edited by Zephkiel; Dec 28, 2022 @ 10:42am
Wintermute Dec 28, 2022 @ 12:23pm 
Originally posted by Zephkiel:
Also, in general, does caster has some form of sustain attainable through stuff? I mean some sort of life leech or health per cast.
Highly depends on specific gear for specific skills. Some spells have innate life leech (vitality mostly), some get it through items. Some get weapon damage added to them, which allows regular weapon leech to function.

On SB survivability, it's solid. Not as asinine as Druid or Sentinel, not the tankiest either. Ascension offers solid defences while active, Blast shield is great, Flashbang is a good defensive debuff. And going fire or chaos devo routes, you get a wide choice of good survivability procs. Ghoulish hunger is great if you have weapon damage on your casts, Twin fangs can be attached to Vire's might to reliably trigger from its fire trail. Phoenix fire is another solid absorption proc - love it on fire builds. And there's Giant's blood/ Wayward soul for just raw heals. Can both be grabbed if you really feel the need.

Overall, Purifier has access to most of those anyway, +seal. From my experience with, specifically, Dagallon FS Purifier and Ulzuin Canister SB, Purifier facetanks better, but has more trouble with getting stunned than SB. Had to make multiple adjustments for that.
Last edited by Wintermute; Dec 28, 2022 @ 12:28pm
xAlphaStarOmegax Dec 28, 2022 @ 3:47pm 
Purifier is my fave.
Zephkiel Dec 29, 2022 @ 12:08am 
Thanks for the input
I was under the impression, looking at the skill tree, that SB would make a better caster...it seems to have more fire damage bonus and solid damage reduction.
I agree with flashbang, i play on veteran and it does a lot of great thing, it's definitly on my hot bar!
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