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Hurricane Nov 17, 2019 @ 3:19pm
Best way to increase hp?
So my blademaster has only 14000 hp and cant take many hits even with 2800 da at 94. He just melts compared to my 100 sham/inq.

Only think ive found for hp is weapon enchants and that 3-4% hp item buff. Is that all the game has?

Not sure if i should go health or life steal he has 10% already but cant even out heal the shaman king in east marsh.

My shaman/inq literally has no trouble with anything but the blademaster is just more fun to play well more fun when im bored with my sham.
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SchnitzelTruck Nov 17, 2019 @ 4:51pm 
You dont need more HP and you wont get any more without gimping a blademaster, you need more types of defenses than just HP and DA. DA modifies an opponents chance to hit/crit you, it's kinda pointless after a certain amount due to the hit chance cap.

Armor + armor absorption is important vs any kind of physical attack. East Marsh troll king will murder you if you have crap armor values as he primarily does phys.

More than one way to heal yourself is always necessary. Ghoul devotion is pretty much mandatory for any autoattacker. Simply more lifesteal would help as well. I assume you already have Pneumatic Burst, but if you dont, it heals you. You also get some physical resistance from Dual Blades which helps a bit.

Basically get Ghoul, some non trash armor values, and boost your damage output enough so that lifesteal actually works.
andrew.thiele Nov 17, 2019 @ 4:56pm 
HP is overrated (unless you're facing certain Celestials where you'll need a fair amount to withstand their flurries)....but having a good complement of defensive stats is more useful than health, in general.

What kind of circuit breakers does your character have? (things that proc at %'s of health)
- the Ghoul devotion is a great circuit breaker
- the Prismatic Diamond's Prismatic Rage proc is another
- the SR set or Serenity relic have really powerful procs as well

What about your main defensive stats after DA?
- Physical resistance and Armour (along with 100% armour absorption) are two huge stats that will make a build feel entirely different
- Damage Absorption...be it % or flat is a huge advantage for any build to have in mitigating damage received. There are also several devotions that grant damage absorption...and many of the circuit breakers above have it as well.
- Stun / Slow / Freeze stats are incredible important in certain areas of the game (especially SR or Crucible)
- and if your a melee character, the Armour rating of the Chest & Legs armours (the two most hit areas) can be telling....and much improved with bonuses to Armour rating to bring these stats up. Using a light chest armour piece (1317 base armour) on a melee character will see a big difference in damage taken compared to a heavier armour, one with 1908 base armour.

Now your sustain. I see you said 10% ADCtH. Which is okay but can certainly be improved. There are alternative life saving devotions like;
- Twin Fangs on the Bat devotion. It will require something to proc it non-stop...and if you don't have a skill for it, no sense in taking it.
- Tip the Scales of the Scales of Ulcama devotion can be useful on some builds as well.
- the Behemoth, Dryad, Chariot of the Dead, Tree of Life devotions can all be life saving too.
- Health Regeneration, in general, is a completely other route one could use to sustain themselves. Don't see it quite as often though as it does require a few sacrifices in overall damage and maybe even items/components to make it work.
- even devotions and items with procs that have Weapon Damage attached to them (provided you have ADCtH) can be huge life savers or sustain if they are procing a lot.

Beyond all that, NB has Blade Barrier for those oh crap moments and tho I doubt you can use it, Soldier has Menhir's Will circuit breaker along with the Menhir's Bulwark exclusive skill...but both require a shield and/or two-handed weapon.
Last edited by andrew.thiele; Nov 17, 2019 @ 5:04pm
Bleh Nov 17, 2019 @ 5:37pm 
The answer is to play Shaman. xD
But seriously, the other advice is good. Nightblade gets a lot of Dodge chance and Soldier has access to extra armor as well as making it easier on your component choices to max armor absorption(especially makes it easier to use the diamond comp in your head slot). Aim for 3k DA or higher if you can(use Ravager's Eye aug from Barrowholm) to avoid crits and your 14k HP will do fine.
Edit: A part of survivability that is sometimes overlooked is circuit breakers. A diamond comp in your head slot, the Ghoul devotion, Serenity relic or the two medals(Unliving/Divinity) can all slow down or stop your damage taken at certain HP thresholds and allow you to gulp a potion, reposition or use an aether crystal to stay alive. If you can get Behemoth or Chariot of the Dead devotions, you can also attach their procs to your other circuit breakers to give you a heal when you need it most.
Last edited by Bleh; Nov 17, 2019 @ 5:45pm
Lerch Addams Nov 17, 2019 @ 6:20pm 
I like the term Circuit Breakers that's being used.

Makes a lot of sense (a lot more if you're an electrician).
Brother Arivus Nov 17, 2019 @ 9:14pm 
The easiest way to increase armor absorb is by putting scaled hide on shoulder and pants, that will rise your armor absorb from 70% to 96%. But if you are soldier and have maxed scar of battle, you need only 1 scaled hide. Be careful with several boss especially if playing as melee as some of the boss attack are like shotgun
Hurricane Nov 17, 2019 @ 10:08pm 
Im a blademaster i get armor absorb from the soldier tree and have 100% yet still get smashed! I have chariot and behemoth too! Yet still get smashed.

Damage output is decent although could be better.

My gear is pretty turd on this character no legendary weapons.

Vrs trash i have so many freeze procs its nice and they melt but if they shoot me and hit me i take so much damage and then bosses just rek me.

So im to aim for more armor stacking? Its hard to understand how armor works in this game.

I will link my build later and respec due to advice. The ghoul will be nice but the cd is long so it will help on short boss fights but not on longer ones
Last edited by Hurricane; Nov 17, 2019 @ 10:08pm
Bleh Nov 18, 2019 @ 1:52am 
The different circuit breakers proc at different HP levels as I said. If you have Ghoul, a Diamond and Behemoth attached to either, you don't just stop taking damage at 50%, you go back to max HP. Then you need to fall back to 35% first(which really should't happen immediately) where either of those medals or Serenity or whatever procs and saves you a second time. Somewhere in there, you can munch an aether crystal for 3 sec of near-invulnerability. All this is if you don't drink a potion, which should happen somewhere. So that's 10-15 sec of significantly reduced damage coming in with heal effects etc. As a Blademaster, you probably have a healthy amount of ADCTH to leach HP back too as long as you're attacking. Your core defensive stats(DA and armor and resists) have to be really bad for all of these things combined correctly to not keep you alive.
Edit: By the time that you reach the end of this little cycle of saves, the shorter CDs should be available again.
Most importantly though, is this game very few builds can ever just stand and facetank the harder content. You need to kite from time to time.
Last edited by Bleh; Nov 18, 2019 @ 1:55am
Gregor Nov 18, 2019 @ 5:26am 
Originally posted by Gir:
Most importantly though, is this game very few builds can ever just stand and facetank the harder content. You need to kite from time to time.

That can be a harsh lesson to realise.
Hurricane Nov 18, 2019 @ 5:28am 
So its impossible to build full facetank? How about shield specs?
Gregor Nov 18, 2019 @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by Hurricane:
So its impossible to build full facetank? How about shield specs?

It'S a question of Enemy , Gear and Classseselection , Devotionchoices and Attribute point distribution.
With the right setup you can surpass many enemies.
Brother Arivus Nov 18, 2019 @ 5:41am 
If you want a shield and tank, you might go with retaliation build. I see some retaliation build can get crazy retaliation damage and get armor as high as 5k with more than 3k DA.
Bleh Nov 18, 2019 @ 5:56am 
Originally posted by Hurricane:
So its impossible to build full facetank? How about shield specs?
Only retal Warlord can facetank like you seem to want to. I'm glad that's the case though.
Hurricane Nov 18, 2019 @ 9:45am 
So heres the blademaster - https://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2GLQyjV

Help me make this guy a bit more tanky please :)
Gadse Nov 18, 2019 @ 10:03am 
Originally posted by Hurricane:
So heres the blademaster - https://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2GLQyjV

Help me make this guy a bit more tanky please :)
Quick answer, max field command, max veil of shadow, (get a full belgothians set and spec into full pierce damage, if not you should have went with inquisitor instead imo), get 3k da, finished.
Last edited by Gadse; Nov 18, 2019 @ 10:04am
Hurricane Nov 18, 2019 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by Alex Dreamer:
Originally posted by Hurricane:
So heres the blademaster - https://www.grimtools.com/calc/O2GLQyjV

Help me make this guy a bit more tanky please :)
Quick answer, max field command, max veil of shadow, (get a full belgothians set and spec into full pierce damage, if not you should have went with inquisitor instead imo), get 3k da, finished.

So i did some of that and now have a chunk more armor and can tank way more but i wanna play cold so will stay with this setup over piercing, ofc this is not optimal since i dont know end game sets but surely theres something for this? ill just lose out on some double skill points
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