Elemental Storm vs Manticore/Revenant

[RhodosGuard]

Please just make it reduce all Resistances.
It's kinda bs, that to get this very limited stat on builds I will always have to invest into either acide damage or something that doesnt "flavor" with my build. Why do I need to become a necromancer for a stat that I desperately need? Or more accurately why does "poison spray" or "skellys with weapons" reduce ALL resistances but a storm made of elemental forces only reduces elemental resistance?
I wished this was at least consistent. Either all of them reduce all resistances or Manticore should only reduce Poison, and Revenant should only reduce Vitality/Aether, and then see how 90% of all builds fall apart because of how vital those stats are.

[Aw Shucks]

Dude Crown is fine. Revenant requires 8 red to even take, the RR is all the way at the end of the constellation, it's 24 flat which is less than Manticore's, it requires wrangling with Pet Attack to utilize well... Manticore's so bad that the ONLY REASON people will even look at it most of the time is for the RR which is 5 nodes in anyway.

Meanwhile, Crown's RR is 3 nodes in, the constellation is only 5 stars anyway, its affinities (prereq and reward) are better optimized than Manticore's... Crown's fine, it's actually really good, Manticore's not doing great and Revenant's OK.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by Huge Downer:

Dude Crown is fine. Revenant requires 8 red to even take, the RR is all the way at the end of the constellation, it's 24 flat which is less than Manticore's, it requires wrangling with Pet Attack to utilize well... Manticore's so bad that the ONLY REASON people will even look at it most of the time is for the RR which is 5 nodes in anyway.

Meanwhile, Crown's RR is 3 nodes in, the constellation is only 5 stars anyway, its affinities (prereq and reward) are better optimized than Manticore's... Crown's fine, it's actually really good, Manticore's not doing great and Revenant's OK.

Not the point.
The point is, RR is relevant and necessary in all builds. Especially the kind of RR these constelations have. What the constelation is, where the Node is, the rewards, irrelevant.

You need the RR, and if you cant get it via an item or skill, you need it in your devotions.
btw. the skeletons in Revenant scale with player, so nothing about "pet management" you cant even control them. They are purely there for RR, even their damage, even when optimized, is garbage and comes, if at all, from having like 10 of them active.

It just doesnt make sense to have RR only in 3 devotions, and to then discriminate behind the kind of RR you get.

As I said, it's just not consistent to have Elemental Storm to be left out by it being only elemental resistances.
All I want is consistency in the stats that are, implicitely, required for endgame content. you desperately need fix Resist reduction because almost any endgame boss/nemesis has all resistances ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ maxed out. IT's weird as ♥♥♥♥ to have Elemental Storm to be the one singled out by not having it apply to all damagetypes, and therefore disregarding builds with impure damages or willingly split damage types.

Crown is "Ok" as long as you deal pure elemental damage. If they have to, switch elemental storm to the fith node, reduce the value, idc. I just dont want it to be needlessly singled out.

[Aw Shucks]

Sources of flat RR I can think of without even looking:
Break Morale (physical), Terrify (all), Blackwater Cocktail (all), Crown proc (elemental), Manticore proc (all), Revenant proc (all), Eternal Band (all)

This isn't touching the other forms, and I've had builds that have had so much stackable that I barely needed the flat or % reduced

The RR arms race is generally a bit tiresome, but it's not even close to my biggest gripe. I can usually figure that out. Elemental might be the damage category that needs the MOST RR anyway.

[Aw Shucks]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

btw. the skeletons in Revenant scale with player, so nothing about "pet management" you cant even control them. They are purely there for RR, even their damage, even when optimized, is garbage and comes, if at all, from having like 10 of them active.

They obey Pet Attack. I know this because I just got through doing it through SR60+ on a Saboteur, and they have a limit of 6. They are indeed not there for damage, I don't use them for that and I don't need them for that.

[KG]

There's also Scales of Ulcama/Tip the Scales. And on top of generally being the most painless source of devotion-based flat RR to obtain, Elemental Balance offers the highest amount. 4 RR more than Manticore, 8 more than Revenant, 12 more than Ulcama. More RR than other most other flat sources I can think of, too.

[Aw Shucks]

Originally posted by KG:

There's also Scales of Ulcama/Tip the Scales. And on top of generally being the most painless source of devotion-based flat RR to obtain, Elemental Balance offers the highest amount. 4 RR more than Manticore, 8 more than Revenant, 12 more than Ulcama. More RR than other most other flat sources I can think of, too.

I absolutely hate the Ulcama proc as an RR source. It's not even the amount. It's the activation method.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by KG:

There's also Scales of Ulcama/Tip the Scales. And on top of generally being the most painless source of devotion-based flat RR to obtain, Elemental Balance offers the highest amount. 4 RR more than Manticore, 8 more than Revenant, 12 more than Ulcama. More RR than other most other flat sources I can think of, too.

And still absolutely useless unless you deal pure elemental damage.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Why do I need to become a necromancer for a stat that I desperately need?

who says you need to be a necromancer to use what, revenant? wth, that has nothing to do with it, at all

and reason Crown isn't all resist reduct is it would be considered way too strong for 32RR, and it's fitting for ele RR because elemental dmg is a highly resisted dmg type

and there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking revenant or scales on most builds, because the constellations overall makes them worth the loss of 5-10RR, and the dmg types that take them/need them are okay with that amount of RR

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Why do I need to become a necromancer for a stat that I desperately need?

who says you need to be a necromancer to use what, revenant? wth, that has nothing to do with it, at all

and reason Crown isn't all resist reduct is it would be considered way too strong for 32RR, and it's fitting for ele RR because elemental dmg is a highly resisted dmg type

and there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking revenant or scales on most builds, because the constellations overall makes them worth the loss of 5-10RR, and the dmg types that take them/need them are okay with that amount of RR

It's called "flavor" and clearly nobody has any idea what that is.

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

The point is, RR is relevant and necessary in all builds. Especially the kind of RR these constelations have. What the constelation is, where the Node is, the rewards, irrelevant.

The point is, Crown is extremely easy to access even for the devo builds where it's off-way. Revenant is not. It's heavy chaos investment, on a character that doesn't necessarily need any. It's much heavier on points to access, where crown can go 3 points in and forget the rest. If you don't understand why those things are important, you frankly have no idea on how to build anyway.

Don't like revenant? Don't take it. There are multiple flat RR options for all kinds of builds in all directions. Crown is for elemental builds. That's it.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

It's called "flavor" and clearly nobody has any idea what that is.

it has nothing remotely to do with "flavour", and everything to do with your insincere greedy desire to just get a cheap high RR devo because your current build has none
you not grasping devos "might" have balancing reasons behind them more than thematical, is the childish stomping of someone that just "want it all"/"want everything they wish how they wish" and things "not being your way" is badz - fortunately for you the game is modable so you can just mod Crown to become an all RR

the fact that other dmg type RR, including devos, have been lowered/rebalanced multiple times should tell you this, that a 32reduct all would be way too big for some other dmg types
- it's not for "flavour" ex Aether RR got removed from Seal of Corruption component, it's an attempt at balancing, so certain dmg types dont just easily and freely spin out of control as a MOAB character

[RhodosGuard]

Dunno why I expected a community of bootlickers to give a ♥♥♥♥ about anything that's not 100% optimized.

"Oh its so eazy peazy to get flat RR for all damage types without Devos if you have each legendary 10 times on stock in your GD Stash, hon hon hon"

btw. if you actually read through the thread I said multiple times that I'd be okay with the value being reduced or the celestial being moved to the 5th star in the constellation.

Idc as long as I dont have to go off-path for my build just to get RR from Devotions that are 80% wasted value.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

"Oh its so eazy peazy to get flat RR for all damage types without Devos if you have each legendary 10 times on stock in your GD Stash, hon hon hon"

nothing to do with it, and no one said that or suggested that

and other people than you grasping the concept of balancing has nothing to do with bootlicking either, grow up

[RhodosGuard]

quote=gNuff!~©~gNom3™;3104647961275122790]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

"Oh its so eazy peazy to get flat RR for all damage types without Devos if you have each legendary 10 times on stock in your GD Stash, hon hon hon"

nothing to do with it, and no one said that or suggested that [/quote]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Don't like revenant? Don't take it. There are multiple flat RR options for all kinds of builds in all directions. Crown is for elemental builds. That's it.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

"Oh its so eazy peazy to get flat RR for all damage types without Devos if you have each legendary 10 times on stock in your GD Stash, hon hon hon"

nothing to do with it, and no one said that or suggested that

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Don't like revenant? Don't take it. There are multiple flat RR options for all kinds of builds in all directions. Crown is for elemental builds. That's it.