Chaos damage

[Nightman20]

im not sure how it works. i dont see many options for it. must be powerful if its so limited. does anyone have an idea to how to access and use it effectively? melee build maybe?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Other Chaos builds? Even worse..

kindly go to the compendium and check out the plethora of chaos builds for endgame before you talk out of yourass

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Lol.. are you into trolling now?! That attitude to call other opinions "BS" reminds me of a few others in this forum.

problem is there is no "opinion" on this, you saying chaos doesn't work or isn't strong is flat out wrong - this is fact, the multitude of chaos endgame builds in compendium that does crucible in decent times and high SR proves this

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

you know what, f it, to display just how oblivious you are i'm gonna list them "all":

• 3 Witchblade up to date: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-1-dw-melee-the-faceless-void-chaos-cadence-witchblade-c-sr/104039 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/something-clever-about-holy-crap-what-happened-to-his-health-rahzins-harbinger-witchblade-sr-80-5-1s-mad-queen-w-neutral-mutators/101654 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-1-the-confused-witchblade-a-physical-chaos-doom-bolt-blade-arc-meme-build-sr-80/101336
  
• 5 warlocks - 2 not using black flame: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-0-yugol-of-twilight-aether-chaos-based-yugol-relic-spinner-sr-80/104138 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-0-three-dw-melee-warlocks-aether-chaos-and-aether-chaos-sr-80/103002 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-2-1-1-8-0-chaos-ray-warlock-sr-100-4-48-fastest-crucible-crate-callagadra-ravager-of-minds/103645 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-1-albrecht-the-chaotic-super-tanky-chaos-aar-warlock-ravager-killer-easy-sr-80/100196 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-6-2-void-inescapable-black-flame-warlock-sr-mi-vid/98621
  
• 1 Sorc - another if we go past 1.1.6: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-2-chaos-dw-melee-dark-side-of-the-sorceress-sr-75-76-no-greens/103053
  
• a fn chaos Saboteur of all things: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-6-0-hybrid-scion-of-the-void-melee-chaos-saboteur-c-sr/96781 <-- build is a bit disputed atm since it requires good pilot skills to perform that way in cruci
  
• 4 pyros, more if we go back longer: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-2-bamm-bamm-breaking-skulls-dw-pyromancer-dummy-10s-mad-queen-4s/101798 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-1-hc-obsidian-dream-tremor-pyromancer-in-a-guardian-s-armor-ft-easier-to-build-setups-vids-sr50-c170-mog/89921 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-4-2-1-1-7-1-caster-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-doombolts-spam-chaos-db-pyromancer-c-sr/91296 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-6-2-caster-chaos-unleashed-chaos-mortars-bwc-pyromancer-c-sr/99431
  
• a chaos Purifier even if we go back to 1.1.5, but i'm keeping it to 1.1.6 and beyond atm since that was your bs threshold
  
• a chaos Mage Hunter, not using black flame: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/something-clever-about-burning-chaos-flames-of-ignaffar-mage-hunter-sr80-controller-friendly/102125
  
• 2 Deceivers, more if we go back longer(and not using black flame): https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-0-hc-abaddoth-deceiver-chaos-rune-of-kalastor-doom-bolt-sigil/104443 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-1-harzins-2h-ranged-doooom-bolt-deceiver-crucible-farmer-with-1-600k-crits-3buffs-1banner/87687
  
• 1 Templar: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-0-twilight-spinner-insane-dw-aether-chaos-eor-templar-sr-80/99435
  
• 2 chaos Sentinels: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-8-0-chaotic-spinner-high-dps-dw-melee-chaos-eye-of-reckoning-sentinel-sr-65/100100 https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/hc-build-collection-by-rektbyprotoss/101024
  
• the famous still viable Witch Hunters: https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/1-1-7-0-rahbinger-witch-hunter-wins-the-game-sr75-celestials-crucible-consistent-6-mins-9-5-sec-dummy-3-8-sec-madqueen-all-on-the-same-0-green-build/94461 - different "tweaks" on chaos hunter if we go back longer

^these only cover Compendium contributed builds and does not even remotely begin to touch on all the "unlisted" chaos builds in the regular build section that wasn't submitted for compendium - tho many of those builds still have performance

now, someone, wespe; please FN tell me again how chaos is "bad" "weak" doesn't do "XYZ"/"compete" and needs black flame or someother bs to compete - the massive vast array of different chaos setups makes chaos very viable - tho i was a bit sad for some reason to not see a chaos Paladin in the compendium, that kinda seemed neat in my mind
and as with ANY fn build, it will never perform 100% as advertised unless you have the full setup of items, but that doesn't mean a build can't substitute items and still work until they get the remaining, there is plenty of chaos stuff out there to supplement holes with these days. <-- and this applies to every freaking build, compendium or general section

and i'll just leave this here to wrap things up of sorts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHvqzP4DGKA

[OrbPlaytime]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

ikr, not like arcanist has chaos AAR, inquisitor and demo has chaos RR, demo has chaos dmg, occultist has chaos dmg - totally unsupported dmg type and there has never existed any chaos builds until FG released :ccthumbsup:

I know RektbyProtoss likes a few Chaos damage builds for play and damage they deal, I think he said it was due to one of the more recentish (not 1.1.8.x) updates making Chaos much more viable *shrug*.
Especially the AAR Chaos,but there are a couple of others where he does Lokarr/etc on HC Ultimate with a Chaos build.
With the update to Hellhound, Chaos pets may also be an interesting way to go now.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

chaos is ridiculous viable now, even for leveling, like there are such nice spread of MIs out there (could be better) that you can actually level as chaos as something that isn't sigil/doombolt or chaos AAR now, tho many takes a bit of time to reach specially if not having a merit for rift jumping. But it still works, both leveling and endgame, one of the reasons being it's like the lowest resist monsters has, so you can deal massive dmg with even minimal RR you get from 2devos, toss in hell mines or Word of Pain on top and you can actually do srs sht while you level as chaos, because like i linked earlier, the itemization, specially affixes, isn't that bad as someone would have us think

Chaos has gotten a lot of love over the years, more so recently.
Is it as supported as other types/builds? no, ofc not, it's the least utlilized innate dmg type, ergo it will have less support than ex fire, just like it should be. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work or that it isn't strong - and as with most things there will always be a more "effecient" way or leveling than something else if that's what we're talking about. But chaos totally works, heck you didn't even need patch 1.1.8 to level as chaos AAR, tho i'm sure it's gotten way better now. Is it as strong as leveling with elemental AAR? no, but same goes for panetti, other stuff is more "efficient", but that doesn't mean other things are ruled out if we want or are out for trying different things or having fun.
Leveling the same way, with the same skill/setup over and over can get boring, if all you're into is rushing 100 and endgame, just level the efficient way of 4-6hours speed leveling, heck or use a blank template character, why even bother leveling if that's not what you want. /shrug
Aaaanyways, TLDR, yea, chaos totally work, now moreso than ever (could use a couple more diff MIs while leveling tho)

[Matthew]

"It isn't in the top 20 builds" is so out of touch. The average player isn't going to play past veteran difficulty. Some will maybe play to the end of ultimate. Even fewer yet will go through SR/Crucible a few times before getting bored. There is only a fraction of a fraction of the player base who is concerned about clearing Crucible 45 seconds faster with one build than another.

For 99.999% of the content of the game, chaos is fine. That it falls off in "competitive Crucible clearing" with the goal of trying to clear as quickly as possible is irrelevant. For the tiny group of people that applies to, they already understand the game mechanics and item possibilities with way too many hours already invested into the game.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Do you realized you contradict yourself? Read carefully what I wrote.. now check builds..
Your builds (and general attitude imho) drip of AoM + FG items.. *sigh*

of fn course it does, we at 1.1.8fn1 now, obviously builds and itemization are gonna be geared towards that how dense can you be - and don't try to claim that chaos didn't exist in base game either because it did, same with AoM - and if you want to make a chaos basegame build now you just gotta be a bit creatite and obviously look up ancient builds and modify them according to patch changes, but why are we even discussing this when for all intents and purposes the game is 1.1.8 which incl FG and AoM

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Sadly not, Chaos is something to forget about with only base game or AoM. FG added a lot of items for exotic builds, BUT that does not mean they are strong !!
No matter if AAR or FoI -builds, Chaos is usually average or subpar. In fact, Chaos is OK now.. still no build made in into Top10 yet.
I´d even say without BlackFlame (EndgameSet) you won´t even make Top20 lol.. it´s more for fun..

your first line pertains to base game and AoM, and was wrong even then, the rest 3/4 of your post pertains to FG of which i demonstrably proved you was 310% BS'ing with the massive entry list of easily available chaos builds

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Thanks for some honest words :D:

^and yet you somehow hold chaos in higher regards, like it has to perform top 20 without full setup when none of the other top builds will perform that way either without the listed setup? get fn real

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

That´s true, but Chaos is far from OP or superior.. one big problem is RR-application and the required Gear to make Chaos work smoothly

no one said chaos was OP or superior, YOU said it was weak, bad didn't perform - which is total BS, you also in part claimed it wasn't much supported, despite the multitude of different chaos items and sets making the aforementioned listed multitude of chaos builds possible, once again talking complete crap - nor is it hard to get gear to make it work "smoothly" {insert eyeroll}

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

(in short: typically CHAOS ignores Armor and can barely get resisted)[/i] :D:

one RPG trope has abosolutely fkcall to do with another or a different game for that matter, just because you want chaos to interact in 1 way, or that ex Ele AAR is more supported or easier to level with doesn't mean chaos doesn't work - like i mentioned if you want 100% optimal leveling you don't even level like a regular player, you pick some bs skill like Word of Pain or OFF and blaze through the first 40 games, respec into a nuke, which again wont be the/a skill you might actually want to play, but hey it's the "efficient way"
^if you liked chaos, and if liked ex chaos AAR you'd know it works leveling, has no trouble self farming gear decently, and that "RR application" isn't as big of a deal as you pretend it to be.
heck Rahzin witch hunter gets like 65RR before even counting devotions, and again you don't need much RR to begin for chaos to make an impact in regular content - you aren't starting out farming cruci 170/sr75 immediately

jezz f freakin jeebers the pure lunacy on display from you in this topic is incredible, like at what point, what level of overwhelming magnitude of compelling counter information does it take before you just stop dispensing BS/try to shift the goal post come up with new excuses and other unfathomable forms of incorrect lunacy?, srs, at some points you're just so wrong it borders disbelief why you don't just shut up on something you are so proveable wrong on

[Da Atte]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

*snip snap the snarky stuff* ...arcanist has chaos AAR, inquisitor and demo has chaos RR, demo has chaos dmg, occultist has chaos dmg...

My point is that Chaos isn't that flexible compared to, say, Lightning or Cold or even Vitality.

Chaos focuses on few abilities at the time while for example builds focusing on Cold damage can be tweaked so much that a single class/class combination can have multiple builds within them. Not so much with Chaos.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Da Atte:

My point is that Chaos isn't that flexible compared to, say, Lightning or Cold or even Vitality.

should it be? it's less utilized, doesn't it stand to reason when you have multiple masteries fully supporting ex cold or lightning or vit, that such dmg types and combos would have a bigger spread than something that is the least utilized and already within that utilization not even in "full"

Originally posted by Da Atte:

Chaos focuses on few abilities at the time while for example builds focusing on Cold damage can be tweaked so much that a single class/class combination can have multiple builds within them. Not so much with Chaos.

i see, so we're just again gonna ignore the multiple chaos build within 1 class i linked, gotcha, i mean yea then it becomes easy for stuff to not be tweaked or be flexible if we choose to ignore that. or you know, open your eyes, look at the builds i linked, that has multiple within the same class - then remember those are only compendium builds and not general build section which would expand on them
chaos is massively possible due to conversion and transmuter to where you get stuff like chaos wichblade in multiple diff forms even @_@ open your eyes and get creative, there are tons of chaos stuff out there that makes meni things possible - i'm not gonna relink all the builds/the multitude of combos with same class, i can toss you the link and count them for you https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/2994292014274594571/?tscn=1604788330#c2994292014277530810
^3 witchblades, 5 warlocks, 4 pyros, 2 decievers and 2 sentinels - only accounting for compendium builds and only past 1.1.6 ikr, totally not flexible, must less so when it's the least frequent dmg type among the classes
(and yea i'm snarky af because this is getting super tedious to "debate" - go to grimtools and get creative)

[mikeydsc]

just subscribing.... interesting in here today. Sounds like the subject is also the action in this topic :)

[Nightman20]

im so glad i asked.

[mikeydsc]

Originally posted by Nightman20:

im so glad i asked.

Why? Sometimes you learn allot of things. People rant and move on. Next post, next post, next post etc...
I havent touched chaos in a long while since it was a step child mastery. Until last few patches it was seal the doombolt, or something similar. Not real tough tofigure a build as you kind of got railroaded in to 2 oe 3 button build back then if you tried main mastery. As a secondary just pulling a few skills from, didnt synergize well with several other masteries. I will have to try one again in the future if I can recover my IA stash.

[Nightman20]

why? because i just got a ton of info.

[Enfild]

Originally posted by mikeydsc:

Originally posted by Nightman20:

im so glad i asked.

Why?

Such a strange question to ask.

[RhodosGuard]

Orb of Cthon Converts all Elemental Damage into Chaos, if you can afford that.
There are also Aether-Chaos Options.

I'm playing AAR Warlock and it works well enough.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

because chaos doombolt, sigil or aar relies heavily on dots ;)
- it's true about the conversion and worth to keep in mind for anything that is true dots, however there are plenty of pseudo dots making chaos ok there too. 1.1.8.1 folks, Chaos is not bad to level with and is decently strong endgame - just have fn fun

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Chaos -RR :
You will need Rah´zin-Set (Melee) or BlackFlame-Set (Caster) combined with Voidheart ring at least !! (maybe even Combustion band.. SymbolOfSolael-Component is another option to increase RR on target)

^you will need this amount of RR for endgame content only, leveling and campaign content you can do fine with what you get - because chaos resist is among the lowest in the game
- many nemesis for instance have like 5 chaos resistance, on Ultimate, at lvl 100+