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Vepar

2020年11月5日 14時07分

Is this the best ARPG?

Honestly, is it?

I played like, ALL of them (exaggeration), from Diablo 1 onwards and, except a few nostalgic ones like Darkstone that i have fond memories of (but doesn't really hold up today as much), most modern ones seem like trash compared to Grim Dawn.

Maybe because i loved Titan Quest before this, though i tried to play it recently and omg a 100 year old game is stuttering - umm ok. So maybe i like it because it's basically that but better.

I don't know why, but i keep returning to Grim Dawn and keep not getting bored even if i start all over again...

Suggest me some good ones i could try so i don't get stuck playing Grim Dawn as my only ARPG lol!

Already finished/tried:

Path of exile - horrible trash economy
Any Diablo - boring
Van Helsing - eh...
Victor Vran - ehh 2...
Any Torchlight - not my thing really, finished 1, 2 and above seem the same
Sacred 2 - i like it but it's too huge and buggy
FATE series - see torchlight
Titan Quest - doesn't work well for some reason
Darkstone - hasn't aged well
No anime stuff, but i'll try it if it's really good.

That's all i can think of right now.
If it has native controller support that's a bonus. If not, i have a Steam controller, i can play it anyway.

So, any other good ARPG's i missed?
Probably a lot of them, i just don't know.

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3k hours played so far and no sign of stopping. I'm nearing 50yrs old and have been playing ARPGs since D1... so I don't say this lightly......

Yes it is.

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Vepar

2020年11月6日 3時31分

mikeydsc の投稿を引用：
Going to expand your arpgs to include rpgs.

These are some good games in their respective genres that involve character progression, skill points etc....

Atom RPG - Kinda like GD
Avernum 3 - Party based like BG
Bards tale 4 party based
Blackguards series ((Dark EYE universe setting )German rules DnD)
Borderlands 2 - good game but coarse language thruout
Darksider series - The 4 horsemen of the apocolypse
Dungeon Siege series - old school
Ember - party based
Fable series - Old school single toon
Final Fantasy series - everyone knows this series or should
Hero Siege - mp game kinda like D2 but crazier
Kingdoms of Amalur - single toon focused
Kyn - a sosos rpg
Mars Warlogs - party based and does require about of twitch moves - blocking dodging etc...
Mass Effect series - no hint needed
Middle Earth series - Lord of the Rings stuff
Might and Magic series - old school to new school
Mutant Year Zero - 3 person party
Sacred 2 Gold - I think you mentioned this one
Shadowrun series - TBS - but really good
Wasteland 2 - party system and also good game
Witcher series
X-Com , X COM or anything from old or new series
UFO series (squad based) - A take on the original Xcom game

I know its not quite what you asked for but can expand your horizons abit :dwarfbeer:

Finished or tried most of them. There's a few i haven't heard of like Ember! Thanks!

Harry Gun の投稿を引用：
Throne of Darkness is my favorite

Hey i think i remember this one! It was kind of a Japanese samurai diablo 1 right? Only more advanced? I never played it.

Plague Dr. Reiss の投稿を引用：
Dungeon Siege 2 with the modded maps to play Dungeon Siege 1 and carry your characters through to the DLC of DS2..

As mentioned already, Last Epoch is good.

Grim Dawn - Reign of Terror (Diablo 2 Mod with full on going support and updates)

GD has a Diablo 2 mod?? :D Need to try that! Is it in the Workshop or do i need to download it somewhere? NVM I'l google it, i'll find it, have to try that haha!

Copper Knight の投稿を引用：
Spider の投稿を引用：
Why would you be upset that BG3 was turn based? The series is a turn based/round based series. It's been that way since the 90s. The game would have been trash if made any other way.
It's really not, the first two games were real time with pause and had no turn based option.

Exactly! I don't mind turn based combat at all, i play Divinity, and since Larian made BG3 it was to be expected for them to just make BG3 on Divinity's engine for simplicity, but i still wished they'd kept the same realtime with pause. Yes it's technically turn based but it has a completely different feel to it.

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@Ixxmantisxxl は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 3時41分

Vepar の投稿を引用：

Plague Dr. Reiss の投稿を引用：
Dungeon Siege 2 with the modded maps to play Dungeon Siege 1 and carry your characters through to the DLC of DS2..

As mentioned already, Last Epoch is good.

Grim Dawn - Reign of Terror (Diablo 2 Mod with full on going support and updates)
GD has a Diablo 2 mod?? :D Need to try that! Is it in the Workshop or do i need to download it somewhere? NVM I'l google it, i'll find it, have to try that haha!

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/mod-reign-of-terror/35347

Saved you some time.

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Vepar

2020年11月6日 3時46分

Plague Dr. Reiss の投稿を引用：
Vepar の投稿を引用：

GD has a Diablo 2 mod?? :D Need to try that! Is it in the Workshop or do i need to download it somewhere? NVM I'l google it, i'll find it, have to try that haha!

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/mod-reign-of-terror/35347

Saved you some time.

Thanks!

I found it while searching it was the first search result.

Sadly, i need both DLC's to play it, so it'll wait til i get the DLCs for GD.

But it's totally neat someone's doing a Diablo 2 mod in GD!

#33

@Ixxmantisxxl は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 3時50分

Vepar の投稿を引用：
Thanks!
I found it while searching it was the first search result.

Sadly, i need both DLC's to play it, so it'll wait til i get the DLCs for GD.

But it's totally neat someone's doing a Diablo 2 mod in GD!

That it is, it does require both DLCs, and frankly well worth it... I have been lucky enough to beat the Ubers :) Used a full D2 Necro for the whole playthrough.

Due to the way GD works, there is no Procedurally Generated Mapping, but the entrances do shift from spot to spot per new game.

Add the GrimCam and No Fog and you got a very special upgrade to D2

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Vepar

2020年11月6日 3時54分

Plague Dr. Reiss の投稿を引用：
Vepar の投稿を引用：
Thanks!
I found it while searching it was the first search result.

Sadly, i need both DLC's to play it, so it'll wait til i get the DLCs for GD.

But it's totally neat someone's doing a Diablo 2 mod in GD!
That it is, it does require both DLCs, and frankly well worth it... I have been lucky enough to beat the Ubers :) Used a full D2 Necro for the whole playthrough.

Due to the way GD works, there is no Procedurally Generated Mapping, but the entrances do shift from spot to spot per new game.

Add the GrimCam and No Fog and you got a very special upgrade to D2

Nice! :)
Once i get some disposable income and i don't have to be like responsible and ♥♥♥♥, it'll definitely get the DG DLC's, i've been wanting to anyway. Then i'll play the mod. :)

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Da Atte

2020年11月6日 4時14分

Out of all the ARPG games I've played Grim Dawn feels like it has the most depth to it which is something that divides the community in half.

Personally I love all the different min-max builds and Devotions even though they can be quite overwhelming at times.

But one thing that I absolutely hate about GD is the amount of Epic and Legendary items. While, yes, it does add more depth and options for builds it is a pain in the ass to farm singular Legendary items let alone full sets. Sure, there is the option to reroll set items but you need at least 2 same items from the set. It's a huge gamble. I don't really want to start certain builds/characters just because I am missing the Legendary items that are needed for the builds.

Despite that one big flaw GD is the best. Hands down my favorite ARPG to date.

Amàru の投稿を引用：
I haven't played many but my favorites are this one and Diablo 3 for different reasons.

D3 was such a sugar rush compared to plenty of other ARPGS. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing but D3 lacked the depth. I really liked the Monk class in D3 though. Extremely fun builds can be built for that class. I think I have a build that can survive and kill in Torment 14. Still missing some gems to upgrade my gear. Maybe I should boot D3 someday again...

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#36

MedeaFleecestealer は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 4時29分

jamesc70 の投稿を引用：
MedeaFleecestealer の投稿を引用：
And you can level a character in GD in about 10 hours if you know what you're doing and have the right gear. Thing is, not everyone wants to rush around like scalded cats; some of us prefer the slower pace of GD compared to PoE's frantic speed runs.

Not sure why you are mad, I was just relating that PoE is closer to Diablo 2 than GD. GD is more like Titan Quest (obviously); slower gameplay overall.

As for 'rushing around like a scalded cat'; after my 20th Sorceress in D2 or my 10th Templar in PoE or even my first new character in PoE... I was glad I could rush. Are you telling me, that on your 20th+ GD characters that you take your time to savor what you've already played so much?

Not mad at all, just pointing out that some of us prefer the slower pace that GD has. Plenty of people enjoy PoE's speed while others don't. And also plenty of people enjoy both games equally.

And yes. I'm WAY past 20 characters in GD over the years (currently have 92 including several in the Grimarillion mod) and I still play through all 3 difficulties rather than speed level them. And I still find myself stopping to admire the scenery from time to time.

#37

gNuff!~©~gNom3™ は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 6時29分

MedeaFleecestealer の投稿を引用：
jamesc70 の投稿を引用：

Not sure why you are mad, I was just relating that PoE is closer to Diablo 2 than GD. GD is more like Titan Quest (obviously); slower gameplay overall.

As for 'rushing around like a scalded cat'; after my 20th Sorceress in D2 or my 10th Templar in PoE or even my first new character in PoE... I was glad I could rush. Are you telling me, that on your 20th+ GD characters that you take your time to savor what you've already played so much?

Not mad at all, just pointing out that some of us prefer the slower pace that GD has. Plenty of people enjoy PoE's speed while others don't. And also plenty of people enjoy both games equally.

And yes. I'm WAY past 20 characters in GD over the years (currently have 92 including several in the Grimarillion mod) and I still play through all 3 difficulties rather than speed level them. And I still find myself stopping to admire the scenery from time to time.

i do too
as mentioned Medea said you can speed level in this, heck i'm pretty sure you can shave it down to 4-6hours the "efficient" way - and yet i take my sweetass time spending 20-24hours on leveling a character, doing everything on Veteran+Ultimate and enjoying it completely as i go through it all
in fact when i get to 100/clear Ultimate i stop and start a new, doing the roguelike dungeons once, killing couple nemesis and Lokar + a round of SR50+ is all i do usually before retiring the toon

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Safarel

2020年11月6日 6時58分

Vepar の投稿を引用：
Path of exile - horrible trash economy
Any Diablo - boring
Van Helsing - eh...
Victor Vran - ehh 2...
Any Torchlight - not my thing really, finished 1, 2 and above seem the same
Sacred 2 - i like it but it's too huge and buggy
FATE series - see torchlight
Titan Quest - doesn't work well for some reason
Darkstone - hasn't aged well
No anime stuff, but i'll try it if it's really good.

no minecraft dungeon in list

#39

Vepar

2020年11月6日 7時22分

Safarel の投稿を引用：
Vepar の投稿を引用：
Path of exile - horrible trash economy
Any Diablo - boring
Van Helsing - eh...
Victor Vran - ehh 2...
Any Torchlight - not my thing really, finished 1, 2 and above seem the same
Sacred 2 - i like it but it's too huge and buggy
FATE series - see torchlight
Titan Quest - doesn't work well for some reason
Darkstone - hasn't aged well
No anime stuff, but i'll try it if it's really good.
no minecraft dungeon in list

Minecraft dungeons is actually good?

#40

@Ixxmantisxxl は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 9時46分

Vepar の投稿を引用：
Safarel の投稿を引用：
no minecraft dungeon in list
Minecraft dungeons is actually good?

Eh, It's okay, It has its moments, almost like D3 but I did play it.

#41

OrbPlaytime は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 10時06分

jamesc70 の投稿を引用：
Plague Dr. Reiss の投稿を引用：
Dungeon Siege 2 with the modded maps to play Dungeon Siege 1 and carry your characters through to the DLC of DS2..

Forgot about that series, but I'm a fan of the first one out of all of them. Going to put that on my play again list.

SGT_pawn の投稿を引用：
Grim dawn is what D3 should have been.

No skill trees in d3, wth was Blizz thinking.

I disagree. My Path of Exile review starts with saying it is what I expected Diablo 3 should be. PoE is far more fast paced than GD, as was Diablo 2. I love GD also, but it is slower; in PoE end-game I finish maps in under 3 minutes flat and can level a character to 90 in a day. Very different games in terms of speed.

One of perspective.
Players can do a fresh (no blueprints/etc) Hardcore start to Ultimate SR50 in under 13hours; that means doing all 3 difficulties plus grinding through the SR (for the contest was allowed Normal and then need to do SR50 on Ultimate).

#42

OrbPlaytime は Grim Dawn　を持っています

2020年11月6日 10時10分

gNuff!~©~gNom3™ の投稿を引用：
MedeaFleecestealer の投稿を引用：

Not mad at all, just pointing out that some of us prefer the slower pace that GD has. Plenty of people enjoy PoE's speed while others don't. And also plenty of people enjoy both games equally.

And yes. I'm WAY past 20 characters in GD over the years (currently have 92 including several in the Grimarillion mod) and I still play through all 3 difficulties rather than speed level them. And I still find myself stopping to admire the scenery from time to time.
i do too
as mentioned Medea said you can speed level in this, heck i'm pretty sure you can shave it down to 4-6hours the "efficient" way - and yet i take my sweetass time spending 20-24hours on leveling a character, doing everything on Veteran+Ultimate and enjoying it completely as i go through it all
in fact when i get to 100/clear Ultimate i stop and start a new, doing the roguelike dungeons once, killing couple nemesis and Lokar + a round of SR50+ is all i do usually before retiring the toon

Kinda same, 3 primary chars only so far, 4 only taken to L30-L40 when I 1st started to get a feel what I liked, and all of this is just shy of 1000 hours of playtime.

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