Rylok Crest. Why?

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

The item is clearly meant for Warders, yet I just do not understand why it has + skills to both Cadence and Savagery. If you are using Cadence you are not using Savagery and vice versa. It just seems like a waste. I would like to replace Mark of Consumption but the only decent Medal replacement would be a well rolled double-Rare Rylok Crest (and possibly Badge of Mastery) but the + to both auto-attack replacers I would lose overall skillpoints. Admittedly only three but I'm already stretched thin.

Rant over.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

because fighting spirit sounds similar to fighting form?

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

because fighting spirit sounds similar to fighting form? :wombatthink:

What? It has +3 to Fighting Form and Tenacity of the Boar. It has a skill modifier of 8% crit damage to Fighting Spirit.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

that's what i mean, it "sounds similar", so "whoever" plugged it in during creation miiight have "clicked" the wrong skill - since all other match up with supporting +skill for the skill granted modifier too
post it on the forum and see

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Oh I thought you meant you were saying it had +3 to Fighting Spirit and I had read it incorrectly lol. My bad.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

because it having +3 fighting spirit would indeed make it make more sense, just like all the other MI medals

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Yeah, especially with the skill modifier on it.

[Enfild]

Maybe si that you will be able to use either soldier or shamans skill? And besides, its nothing new, really, look at most legendaries, they often have boosts to 3 masteries, and it is clearly isnt possible to make such build.
Also, someone here did use both Auto-attacks, charge up savagery and use cadence. But i dont know if this is any good, didnt use that.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Enfild:

its nothing new, really, look at most legendaries

it's strange when you look at all the other MI medals tho, and MIs in general tend to boost "some part" of the skill they are modifying with +skills too - not a completely different one "in the same class"

[Enfild]

It is strange. But at least i can see a logic behind it.

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Originally posted by Enfild:

Maybe si that you will be able to use either soldier or shamans skill? And besides, its nothing new, really, look at most legendaries, they often have boosts to 3 masteries, and it is clearly isnt possible to make such build.
Also, someone here did use both Auto-attacks, charge up savagery and use cadence. But i dont know if this is any good, didnt use that.

Those three-Mastery items combine Masteries that can have similar builds and utilise the same skills and saves on needing to make two or more items when you can place those combinations on one item/set bonus.

However, the Rylok Crest is clearly a Warder Medal as it only has Shaman and Soldier skills on it so it the fact it has + skills to BOTH auto-attack replacers, and then modifies Savagery and Fighting Spirit, makes it sub-optimal. Unfortunately, for a 2H Physical/IT Warder that reduces the amount viable Medals to basically two; Badge of Mastery (good luck crafting a BoM with relevant skills without beggaring yourself mats/gold wise) and Mark on Consumption (which isn't the best either as it is more aligned towards Bleeding damage than Physical/IT).

There are plenty of Medals for Sword-and-Board Warders, though, just not Physical 2H.

[Enfild]

How so? I imagine if it didnt had those 3 blasted points, would you think "Oh, its bad, because it lacks bonus to some skill"? Does it really matters? You will waste points anyway, try look past it.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Befuddled Honey Badger:

for a 2H Physical/IT Warder

Mark of Stone Will
Beast Slayer's Mark
Sigil of the Bear King
for MIs you have Balthazars Crest or Mark of Harvoul (boosting soldier skills)

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Enfild:

It is strange. But at least i can see a logic behind it.

what logic, when it literally goes against everything else as the "norm"?
if if followed all other MI logic it would boost Fighting Spirit - not a totally unrelated skill

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Mark of Stone Will
Beast Slayer's Mark
Sigil of the Bear King
for MIs you have Balthazars Crest or Mark of Harvoul (boosting soldier skills)

Maybe it's just me but I dislike redundant/wasted stats on items. Beast Slayer's was one medal I was looking at but it's an Epic medal so has no skill modifiers and the others are sub-par (e.g. Bear King is heavily focused on Forcewave). Now, don't get me wrong, if I was making a build off the beaten track, as it were, with some weird damage conversions or skill combinations then, yes, I would expect to have to take items with redundant stats/skills. However, I'm playing a basic ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Warder with Savagery and Blade Arc and just don't understand why there's a dearth of optimal medals for it. Sword-and-Board Warder has plenty of options with good +skills and modifiers and more 2H Soldier focused builds like Bear King with it's +3 IT, +2 RF and the FW skill modifier.

The 4% ADctH to Blade Arc on Mark on Consumption doesn't seem like much but when BA consistently crits for 200k+ on most enemies (497k is the highest crit so far) except some Nemeses and all Celestials it helps with survivability on top of my 7k hp regen (with procs). Losing that for Beast Slayer's doesn't seem that worth it, imo, even less so for something like Stone Will or Bear King.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

not every class get's a perfect fitting item, so you wont find fitting modifiers on all slots for every build (specially not double fitting)
i'd still argue rylok wouldn't be a perfect fitting item for an IT warder (if "fixed") considered it's bleed focused, just like mark of consumption, and consumption only having 4% lifesteal does not impress me enough to potentially consider it over others if when you're IT, where something like even the AS on bear king might be more useful, even if sadly not FW trauma built