Highest OA

[Special Forces]

What class combination has the highest Offensive Ability potential in the game? I want to make a character based around critical hits.

[Matthew]

Look, I was just giving insight. I'm not shifting anything. At 100% to hit that is 10% crit? That is enough for the purpose of proccing devotions/items. That is enough to roll crits with stacked duration.

From that point on, you are getting marginal increases. Yes, more is more. You are writing a ton of paragraphs saying more OA is better than less OA. We know.

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/critical-hit-calculator-chc-table-dps-increase-from-oa-and-chd/95882

I don't know how up-to-date that current link is, though should be close enough regardless. You can play around with the numbers to see the relation. An Arcanist with Elemental Balance ends up with the same average damage with 3500 OA, 75% crit compared to 4000 OA, 50% crit.

In a general sense, you can come across 25% crit easier than 500 OA. The essence of the comment you are writing an essay in response to isn't wrong. You seem to be under the impression that 4k OA is adding a lot more than it actually is.

[Matthew]

Another comparison:

3500 OA, 145% crit = 4500 OA, 75% crit.

1000 OA vs. 75% crit. For stat distribution, that is more or less equal.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

sigh, i'm saying notthing of the sorts, and you are inlcuding one of the masteries i specifically mentioned that gets easy free crit dmg - stacking OA on other masteries than ex Oathkeeper Shaman and Arcanist can be easier than others where getting 3500 oa is easier than 100crit bonus ex those 3 gets for free on buffs
and again, the point is Azunai is saying OA beyond 100%hit chance is worthless without crit dmg, which it isn't to which i said, try making a build with 2600oa vs 3k or 3500 and reducing the crit dmg
or, try leveling a character with 0 crit dmg but 20-30% crit and notice the difference, it's "noticeable"
i also mentioned mentioned OA has droppff points for diminishing returns, but even despite that stacking OA without bonus crit dmg is not pointless, because gee it increases your dmg even without and frequent crits are good, - even without crit dmg bonus
i've tried 100+crit dmg builds, vs 50 (or lower) and crit dmg gain has way more factor playing in than diminishing returns on OA after 100% hit - more so with crit constellation procs as you mention, where frequent crits become even more useful

crit dmg don't mean sht without OA, but OA is still useful/will still do dmg without crit dmg. it's that simple - the smallest possible crit is 10% dmg increase, that's the same as 2 devotion nodes, a great piece of gear or like 2skill points spent of an exclusive buff you might not have available.
There is OA on augs, components, affixes and more gear than crit. Gimping yourself by not stacking oa because you can't fit in crit or picking worse piece of gear for your build because it has 5%crit if a fitting piece had 50-100OA or more(belts rings etc) is just ridiculous
base crit dmg can be obtained decent enough(in the end), but you want high oa for frequent crits and their small bonus multiplier it provides, going from 10%-20% critt chance is massive, you're more than doubling your crit dmg by doing that, on the other hand if you scraped every bit of crit dmg you could get together and get a decent 50bonus crit(on avg builds) you'd get a 50% dmg increase tops - where going from 10% crit chance to 30% through oa more than triples your crit dmg(and i will 100% concede it's hard to get 30%crit chance on most builds too like getting 100+crit dmg aint easy for most either)
frequent crits are good, specially for builds that aren't involving crit buffs like arcanist or exclusive like oathkeeper or shammy (which not even all builds still get to push that 100+)

Originally posted by Matthew:

Yes, more is more. You are writing a ton of paragraphs saying more OA is better than less OA. We know.

i'm not say more OA is better than less OA, i'm specifically saying high oa is still valuable despite lower or even "no" crit dmg, contra to Azunai's
- the amount of bonus crit dmg you need to make up for OA during the 2500-3000-3500 is pretty significant, to where it can often be easier to stack OA, and where OA/high OA is still valuable, more so when you don't have access to ton of "free" crit to make up for more than double the difference from ex those 3 masteries

[Yojimbo]

I was messing around in grimtools and managed to get ~6000OA. The build is trash but was funny to see that number

[frdnwsm]

>"fn hell, with the amount of hours you have i'd imagined you'd have tried the difference alone in leveling a character with 20-30 crit chance through Normal/Vet and Elite vs just having 100% hit"<

gNuff, my dude, if you want to be snarky, you need to make the remark stand out more. I only just noticed your comment. having overlooked it when reading this thread earlier. The OP asked how to maximize his crit %. I commented that if he invested totally in Cunning vs Physique, he'd likely end up with a glass cannon build. I said nothing to disparage the usefulness of a build with a high crit chance.

I have arrived at builds for my various ranged/melee characters which have what I consider to be a good mixture of offense and defense, and they are working just fine, thank you. I am happy with a late game (level 95 or so) OA around 2500. My crit % vs non-super Bosses ranges from 15% to 30%.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

>"fn hell, with the amount of hours you have i'd imagined you'd have tried the difference alone in leveling a character with 20-30 crit chance through Normal/Vet and Elite vs just having 100% hit"<

gNuff, my dude, if you want to be snarky, you need to make the remark stand out more. I only just noticed your comment. having overlooked it when reading this thread earlier. The OP asked how to maximize his crit %. I commented that if he invested totally in Cunning vs Physique, he'd likely end up with a glass cannon build. I said nothing to disparage the usefulness of a build with a high crit chance.

I have arrived at builds for my various ranged/melee characters which have what I consider to be a good mixture of offense and defense, and they are working just fine, thank you. I am happy with a late game (level 95 or so) OA around 2500. My crit % vs non-super Bosses ranges from 15% to 30%.

i'm not sure why you are addressing me, on a reply to Matthew? - if i were talking to you, and in such a big post, i would probably have included a direct quote or @mention

[frdnwsm]

OH My bad! I saw the fn, which are my RL initials ... in lower case no less ...and thought it was addressed to me, since I had made one of the earliest replies to the OP's initial inquiry, and mentioned the "glass cannon" aspect.

I realize now that you were actually using an abbreviation for an exclamation that included the "F" word, and not talking to me at all. Now I feel silly.

[OrbPlaytime]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

OH My bad! I saw the fn, which are my RL initials ... in lower case no less ...and thought it was addressed to me, since I had made one of the earliest replies to the OP's initial inquiry, and mentioned the "glass cannon" aspect.

I realize now that you were actually using an abbreviation for an exclamation that included the "F" word, and not talking to me at all. Now I feel silly.

I loved how Terry Pratchett did this in one of his novels with the two professional criminal gangsters called The New Firm by using "-ing", a lot :)