Monsters healing themselves impossible to kill?

[psychospin]

Hey.

So I'm doing my first ultimate playthrough, and I've decided I want to go hostile with Barrowholm, instead of friendly like I did in normal and elite. But before I reach it, I want to be revered with them so I can grab their stuff before going hostile.

Since I'm too high level to get good rep on normal or elite, and their bounties suck, I'm doing Depraved Sanctuary runs (that C'thonic sanctuary in act 1) in ultimate. It has been quite effective.

In my latest run however, there was this totem there and I killed some of the monsters until 3 were left. They're quite strong for me so I just kited them in circles while grenado'ing them down. But they kept fully healing. I was on this for like 10 minutes but they just fully heal out of the blue. All of them. Maybe one of them was a healer, but that'd make it a stupidly low cooldown and unlimited healing skill...

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

lesson of the day: kill healers first
class dismissed

[psychospin]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

lesson of the day: kill healers first
class dismissed :ccthumbsup:

How do you kill that which keep healing themselves?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

healers generally have this thing where they heal themselves very little, and others very much
that's why healers are generally only annoying if you don't spot them or they come in groups of 3 (which seems to happen fairly often in SR )
i can't remember the name of the cthonic blood lady bug healers, but you should have no trouble solo nuking them down when they spawn from a totem

[Troubled]

If healers are by themselves you need to prioritize them over everything else, especially if you have a big baddie or two lumbering about the place. Outside of Shattered Realm it is very rare to find a group of healers but if you do and cannot burn them down you can just move and try to leave them in the dust. If not then your best bet is just to get out of there, leave game, and then come back in for another attempt.

[psychospin]

That's what I did, just left.
To be honest I didn't spot the healer. There were 3 big monsters left running after me and I was damaging all of them pretty much equally, and all 3 kept getting fully healed. Maybe there was a 4th not running after me and healing the others?

Anyway, went back, found another totem there and this time I had no problems, so I'm guessing there were no healers

[OrbPlaytime]

Just in case you do not know the various hero types, the following list is handy:
https://www.grimdawn.com/guide/gameplay/monsters/#q03

Basically you need to look for the supporter one, but Arcane is probably one of the nastiest if you rely upon buffs and will see that a fair bit in Ultimate.
One or two you should be ok to handle and about timing all your burst damage with their healing, when it is 3 or 4 (not sure if this is just SR) then it can be head on the keyboard time depending upon build :)

[KG]

Originally posted by psychospin:

That's what I did, just left.
To be honest I didn't spot the healer. There were 3 big monsters left running after me and I was damaging all of them pretty much equally, and all 3 kept getting fully healed. Maybe there was a 4th not running after me and healing the others?

Anyway, went back, found another totem there and this time I had no problems, so I'm guessing there were no healers

Off the top of my head, all the healer monsters are human-sized or smaller and they tend to be relatively stationary since both their heal and attacks are ranged. I suspect you're right about there being a 4th (and maybe 5th and 6th) enemy around. Hard to notice them if you're fighting three huge, dangerous melee enemies.

Monsters that actually heal themselves are different matter; most of those will chase you down in melee but they also can't heal themselves as fast as a caster healer could. Unfortunately they tend to be really tanky and/or really dangerous. Fortunately they are also very rare - limited to the one spot that unique enemy spawns at, or they are Nemesis for which you need max negative reputation, or you're in SR/the Crucible and have to expect that sort of thing. The answer in this case is to run away and come back with more DPS - usually uploading your character's save to Grimtools and posting the link here can help with that.

[psychospin]

Originally posted by OrbPlaytime:

Just in case you do not know the various hero types, the following list is handy:
https://www.grimdawn.com/guide/gameplay/monsters/#q03

Basically you need to look for the supporter one, but Arcane is probably one of the nastiest if you rely upon buffs and will see that a fair bit in Ultimate.
One or two you should be ok to handle and about timing all your burst damage with their healing, when it is 3 or 4 (not sure if this is just SR) then it can be head on the keyboard time depending upon build :)

That's pretty cool, gonna give it a read. Thanks.

[psychospin]

Originally posted by KG:

Off the top of my head, all the healer monsters are human-sized or smaller and they tend to be relatively stationary since both their heal and attacks are ranged. I suspect you're right about there being a 4th (and maybe 5th and 6th) enemy around. Hard to notice them if you're fighting three huge, dangerous melee enemies.

Monsters that actually heal themselves are different matter; most of those will chase you down in melee but they also can't heal themselves as fast as a caster healer could. Unfortunately they tend to be really tanky and/or really dangerous. Fortunately they are also very rare - limited to the one spot that unique enemy spawns at, or they are Nemesis for which you need max negative reputation, or you're in SR/the Crucible and have to expect that sort of thing. The answer in this case is to run away and come back with more DPS - usually uploading your character's save to Grimtools and posting the link here can help with that.

Well, I know my build is flawed and some of my items are far from perfect. I've been trying to get as many blueprints as I can find (lot's of Underground Transit runs for crystals, totems and nemesis), so I can focus on items because I've found some that look good, they take out some important stat like a resistance or skill.

Recently I changed my weapon to one that's slower but the boost to grenado seems to compensate

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/m23mDO1Z