Is Blade Trap really a bad skill?

[Dearana]

I've just started really getting into grim dawn, and when looking into some skills for my build, I seen numerous people saying blade trap isn't good, it's the worst active skill, blah blah. It keeps me healed enough to not die even on Ultimate, and it does relatively good damage. What exactly is bad about this skill? It seems like it's meant to be a support skill rather than your main damage skill, do people not understand this when calling it bad?

[DirtyMick]

Maybe it's just not worth the point investment for end game builds. Usually when people consider skills bad, they're referring to like builds for end game shattered Realms and celestial bosses. Most things are workable for campaign. And it's all relative. Like yeah I'm sure blade trap can work, but there's better options, so relative to those better options, blade trap is a bad choice. I've never used blade trap so I have no personal opinion on it, I just know there's probably a good reason why very experienced players consider it a bad skill.

[+|A.O|+]

I do not stand for that opinion. Blade trap is not a bad skill, especially if used as a combo enabler.

I don't have a build that makes use of it yet but I know that it is quite powerful a skill. It's just been neglected for far too long.

[Faust Wither]

most boss enemy have huge trap resistance.

[RhodosGuard]

The most unique part of Blade Trap is that it is a trap. With heroes and bosses having massive Trap resistances later on, that part is barely viable.

So if survivability is your main goal, you are better of investing in Pneumativ burst.

[Robert Zerker]

引用自 Dearana：

It seems like it's meant to be a support skill rather than your main damage skill, do people not understand this when calling it bad?

It's not that bad of a skill. But the use of it gets limited, the more you progress.

(Except for very niche builds with very specific MIs. And even in that case, it's more of a Role Playing sort of Gimmick than a necessary tool.)

However, when you've got yourself a top-notch min-maxed endgame build, you just don't need it : there are better source of healing, control isn't that much needed when trash mobs almost die by simply looking at you, and as other mentionned it, it's useless against highly trap-resistant mob, since if the trap doesn't trigger, none of its secondary effects work.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

the comments you see about people not liking it is probably usually for endgame builds, where it it's borderline useless since you can't trap bosses or nemesis/hard targets without 1 specific set, Rimetongue
it's the same for Olexra's Flash Freeze, it's a pretty popular/recommended leveling skill, but is shunned for endgame since you can't freeze the stuff you want or need to, again without 1 specific set, Mageslayer
the "problem" with these 2 skills is their stats/debuff/dmg/effects is applied after CC check, ie if you can't freeze or trap the target 0 dmg 0 heal 0 debuff etc etc
and ofc people don't like to invest heavily in such skills that only work on trash mobs for Crucible/Shattered Realm builds and such
not to say they have no use at all, they are fine for leveling, and if you do utilize one of those sets you could make an okay meme build,
this will change a little more in next patch supposedly, when monster CC res gets lowered a little, not enough that you wont still need those sets, but enough that it goes from meme to real build maybe

[Operation40]

I just hit 70 on my blademaster (nightblade / soldier) which I guess isn't really end-game but starting to see why they might say that. I focused on Poison and would go in with shadow strike, dump all my cool-downs and then blade trap while I retreat.. sit back and watch them die as the poison ticked..

wellllll, that's not working so great now. I can see why you might instead focus on cold/freeze which, in a way, provides CC on *all* skills .. if the mobs are frozen, then you don't need to trap, and you'd save those points (and the skill keybind) for other things... I might retool a bit into one of the cold builds for that reason

[RodHull]

As said above if you use rimetongue its actually quite powerful, if not then its a bit pants.