Pistol+Shield Commando

[Burusagi]

Can't seem to find anything up to date on it via the Google Machine.

Does it work?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Alcohol Fueled Brewtality:

Can't seem to find anything up to date on it via the Google Machine.

Does it work?

couldn't you just use a s&b commando build and just swap to pistol??

[frdnwsm]

I'm looking at something similar right now with my Purifier. Of course, the Inquisitor part of
that build has a several firearm buff skills, which help a lot.

Most of the ranged Commando builds I have seen go with rifles. Since the damage from a single pistol is a lot less, you might need some aid from gear. I'd suggest the Quck Draw gloves, which increase firing speed (there's also an empowered version for level 65+ characters) and the Oathbreaker set (Oathbreaker pistol & Oathbreaker shield combination) to help with the DPS while adding shield type protection.

You will also probably want another, harder hitting ranged attack to deal more efficiently wih bosses. Grenado comes to mind, although Soldier skills can pump up the damage output as well.

[Burusagi]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Originally posted by Alcohol Fueled Brewtality:

Can't seem to find anything up to date on it via the Google Machine.

Does it work?

couldn't you just use a s&b commando build and just swap to pistol??

The problem I see right off the bat is that pistols would probably require some kind of Cunning investement, no? Something you'd prolly not need for melee.

[frdnwsm]

Whoops, sorry, my bad. Blitz needs a melee weapon. Substitute Force Wave for Blitz, perhaps.

[ha..HA!]

The problem with pistol + shield builds is that 1h pistol damage output would be really small when compared to rifles or dual pistols. I guess you could make it work as a grenadier/bwc commando or with cadence but it would definitely be underpowered if you plan to use it with firestrike compared to rifle or dual wield builds.

[ha..HA!]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

Whoops, sorry, my bad. Blitz needs a melee weapon. Substitute Force Wave for Blitz, perhaps.

Forcewave requires melee weapons as well.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Alcohol Fueled Brewtality:

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

couldn't you just use a s&b commando build and just swap to pistol??

The problem I see right off the bat is that pistols would probably require some kind of Cunning investement, no? Something you'd prolly not need for melee.

pretty sure tons of 1h swords have cunning requirements on them, so any normal s&b commando build using sword would have no issue (510 cunning on 1h sword and ranged i believe)
your only issue would probably be the lack of dmg, since there isn't really any benefit from 1h ranged, you gain small kiting ability for majority dps loss, which seems odd when opting for shield in order to add "tankiness"
but imo you could make the "old" s&b builds work fine, swapping for 1hranged as you please with some slight tweaking here and there
but i don't think there is a straight up 1h ranged shield commando build made to make up for the dps loss (i couldn't find any such thing tho looking on the buidl section on forum), but in the end you could just swap the "melee demanding skills" to non weap requisite skills and gain slight dmg back, while maintaining the same beefyness

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by ha..HA!:

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

Whoops, sorry, my bad. Blitz needs a melee weapon. Substitute Force Wave for Blitz, perhaps.

Forcewave requires melee weapons as well.

no i t doesn't....
shield or 2hand melee, can use Forcewave "naked" with just a shield even, -just as well as a 1h ranged, as it's tied to shield,
(only Tremor transmuter mandates melee, and then it's a 2h)

[frdnwsm]

>Forcewave requires melee weapons as well.<

Not true. Can work with pistol and shield, just less damage.

[frdnwsm]

Originally posted by ha..HA!:

The problem with pistol + shield builds is that 1h pistol damage output would be really small when compared to rifles or dual pistols. I guess you could make it work as a grenadier/bwc commando or with cadence but it would definitely be underpowered if you plan to use it with firestrike compared to rifle or dual wield builds.

Indeed. That's why I suggested gear assitance. Quickdraw gloves +9% attack speed (+18% for rhe empowered version), Oathbreaker pistol & shield adds to damage output by enabling a form of explosive round and adding to fire/chaos damage.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1205077253


Level 51 Purifier, DPS with single pistol plus the gear I mentioned is 3323. Throwing in Flame Touched it goes up to 5000 or so. Needless to say, damage is a lot more when dual wielding. Commando DPS is probably somewhat lower due to lack of Inquisitor buffs.

[DeadlyDanDaMan]

Can it work? Yes. Is it a character you should play if you are relatively new to the game? No, absolutely not. Pistol + shield build will have some of the lowest DPS out of any build in the game. It will be a grind of epic proportions.

[KG]

Originally posted by DeadlyDanDaMan:

Can it work? Yes. Is it a character you should play if you are relatively new to the game? No, absolutely not. Pistol + shield build will have some of the lowest DPS out of any build in the game. It will be a grind of epic proportions.

I wouldn't touch it until I had a bunch of the related toys to play with. If then - the itemization looks kinda dubious to me.