Dervish (Oath + night) tips

[MeGa]

I am interested in a Dervish build, focused in player damage scaled pets, like empyrion guardian and blade spirit.

Sounds kinda cool to me, problem is damage type, as empyrion guardian could be fire or acid, and blade spirit is piercing, cold and bleed damage.

So, would it be kinda weak to use those skills with those element types, or maybe they would still be good just because of player damage scaling?

Otherwise, I think, as I have been told before, I would need damage conversion gear.

Could anyone knowledgeable tell me an example or give me some insight about this? as Im a little bit lost xD thanks

[Ghostwhisper]

I suggest you focus on one pet or the other if you are deciding on that route. Rainbow stats are hard to make work ( not impossible ) but even harder albeit in this case most likely impossible with pets.

Dervish by definition that most closely relates to this game : One that whirls or dances with or as if with the abandoment of a dervish.

So think speed, WPS dual-wield build where you attack as fast as possible. This leaves you with two builds that stick out in my mind. Righteous fervor with pierce and blade spirit. Or righteous fervor with acid/poison and empyrion guardian. Obviously there are quite a few variations of these two core builds that would work.

The key when channeling your inner dervish is remember it is about speed of attack/twirl.


Endgame is endgame, I dont think you should be focusing on that and just work on something thematic that works for you when building a character, dervish or otherwise.

Personally i am in the process of building an acid/poison dervish where near endgame i convert the unwanted types into poison/acid. It is a rough goal, but the base is attack speed/poison. I am level 32 on elite and the damage/sustain is really starting to shine, but was slow to get off its feet.

[KG]

Maybe you could do some kind of Elemental (fire/cold) build with Chillwhisper Crown, gear that buffs Guardian, and using lots of +skill gear to snapshot summon them both at 26/16 while still in town... but I'm not going to say this will equal a "good" build.

Chillwhisper Crown https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/11737
Other items you'd have to work out yourself - a balance between skill modifiers for Guardian and BS I suppose - and % elemental damage.

[Lywelyn]

fast attack build with weapons ?you spelled blademaster wrong ( war+ night)

Dervish sounds more like a ruthless rush of one sword spam as a oathkeeper main with some combo of shield + nightblade resistance and debuff like breath and veil of shadow if you ask me, Havn't made a good build for dervish so i'm just assuming.

so far the best combo i found for pet was necro+sham

but for pets you can not make a worthy hybrid build, you gotta focus on one pet.

I can speak for any pets and survivability build, but acid and poison na not my field pal :p

[Valkez]

The reworked Venomblade set has a strong focus on acid Dervish, and it just happens to convert 30% cold and pierce to acid, which would make the Blade Spirit somehow work.

Honestly though, acid Dervish is incredibly expensive in terms of skill points. Both Oathkeeper and Nightblade have lots of amazing skills, and if you go on maximizing the pets you would miss a lot on some other, more useful skills.

[Aria Athena]

Both Guardians and Blade Spirits scale with player bonuses. So, as KG said, you can use Chillwhisper Crown for 100% piecing conversion to cold in Blade Spirit and Chains of Nightfire + Chillflame evoker for at least 95% fire conversion to cold. Afterwards it's possible to get like 45% (maybe more?) physical convered to cold and only focus on cold damage.

That wont be enough on it's own though. It's important to note that since Guardians and Blade Spirits are invincible, enemies will never focuse them. I believe they are for support damage, not to be built around.

I know it doesn't focus on "pets", but as a Dervish I would go with something like this https://www.grimtools.com/calc/w26WG5xV (very gear dependent). Or focus on acid/poison, as others said, which I've never worked on, but it's clear to me that it will work really well.

[KG]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

Both Guardians and Blade Spirits scale with player bonuses. So, as KG said, you can use Chillwhisper Crown for 100% piecing conversion to cold in Blade Spirit and Chains of Nightfire + Chillflame evoker for at least 95% fire conversion to cold. Afterwards it's possible to get like 45% (maybe more?) physical convered to cold and only focus on cold damage.

I just can't remember if regular conversion effects apply to player-scaled pets. :/ If they do this will be an easier build to organize.

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by KG:

I just can't remember if regular conversion effects apply to player-scaled pets. :/ If they do this will be an easier build to organize.

I didn't even think this could be an issue. I would a bit surprised though if they don't apply. But only a bit.

[RodHull]

You could use parts of the demonslayers set to convert blade spirit to vitality and buff it and then dual wield pandemics and use the transmuter on guardian of empyrion, you'd then be focusing acid and vitality damage (mainly vit) the issue then would be no native support for RR aside from GoE but its one way of doing both pets and using them heavily.

Though as said above if player conversion works on pets thats a much easier way to do it

[Aria Athena]

Now that I think about it, if player conversion works, there is always the lazy solution. He could just use a Beronath, Reforged and go full physical / pierce with Belgothian or Octavius or something, which actually sounds as a decent build.

[Aria Athena]

Here is an idea https://www.grimtools.com/calc/m236GlQN.

You get to have 2 Guardians, 3 Blade Spirits and up to 3 Living Shadows from the constellation, all doing physical / piercing.
Damage modifier could be better, but you get 2 Shadow Strikes and a great crit multiplier.

[Valkez]

I'm very much positive that player damage conversion affects player-scaling pets. Beronath's conversion increased my physical Warder's Storm Totem damage by a noticeable amount on dummies, so there's that.

Another idea that passed me is to convert all that elemental damage with Bladetwister ring(s) and Pack of Treacherous Means to pierce. Both "pets" would get to (or close) 100% conversion. But then, I doubt those Guardians would still be of any particular use if they do not apply any RR.

I would still support the idea of going full acid. You can also throw in the Deathstalker relic for an extra acid player-scaling pet and call it a day.