Being one shotted?

[Reziarfg⑰]

I've seen a good bit of posts by people saying they get one shotted alot playing ultimate by even mini bosses. The character I'm playing isn't level 100 yet, and I haven't gotten very far yet in ultimate. I did venture ahead to farm devil's crossing rep before starting the story. My character is a dk, I have full gear, and so far in ultimate nothing is even damaging me. I'm sure it's likely to change as I progress, but is it really as hard as people have claimed? Does it vary from build to build? And what bosses are the hardest of the hard?

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

It definitely varies build to build and player to player. Build wise, a DK has passives and actives in it's skill set that makes it innately tanky (Armour, armour absorption, DA, +Health, +% Health and Physique etc.) along with sources of ADctH (lifesteal). On top of that, the gear the supports DK builds tend to have lots of armour, health, physical resistance and/or DA.

Then you take something like Sorcerer (Arcanist/Demolitionst) that have defensive cooldowns/passives, sure, but do not have any sources of flat or % hp gain or heals combined with the fact pretty much all Sorcerer focused gear is Caster Armour so has less flat armour than the DK heavy armour and don't tend to have physical resistance on most of it.

Then when you talk about players, a lot of the issues arise from people trying to facetank Bosses or Nemeses on a 'squishy', glass cannon type build because they can do it in another game or because their first build was tanky and they expect all builds to play the same. Also, mechnical game knowledge comes into play, biggest example off the top of my head is the need for 100% Armour absorption and as high an armour rating as possible (hence why something with Soldier has an advantage in that regard).

[andrew.thiele]

The Celestial bosses are the hardest in the game, ie. Ravager, Mogdrogen, Lokarr. Nemesis bosses would likely be next, though they vary in diffiliculty a lot. Then there's B-tier bosses, like Mad Queen, Kra'vall, John Bourdon. After that probably the key dungeon bosses, Theodin Marcell and then everyone else. Though, this is my general experience.

BUT, each build will struggle with certain bosses that other builds do not. Also, the likelihood of one build defeating ALL the bosses is pretty low. The celestial bosses generally require a focused build for that enemy. I've only been able to defeat two of them with a single build thus far, though I have seen the elite of the elite do it.

And those that are being one-shotted (or at least what feels like being one-shotted), because it did happen to me when I started, either lack resistances, health, armour, armour absortion, physical resistance, DA, some kind of circuit-breaker proc or all of the above.

If you have most of these (resistances being really key, gotta have them), then Ultimate isn't that bad. It's the biggest and baddest bosses that will truly test just how well you've built your character. Though, certain class combinations have a head start over others, particularly the Soldier class though the Occultist, Inquisitor, and Arcanist classes have nice damage reduction and/or physical resist skills. Necromancer and Shaman give sweet health bonuses, Demo has its awesome Blast Shield circuit-breaker proc. And I'm sure I'm missing others.

All that said, you can make even the most vulnerable class combinations tanky through devotions, items, etc. Their damage may be lessened by this, but you could also go the other route and make a glass cannon and just kill things so fast they don't have time to kill you. Will that work for every boss, certainly not.

[ZarahNeander]

Depends on your definition of 'mini-boss' but getting 1-shotted by anything below nemesis is entirely the players fault

Also 'build', 'gear', 'luck' etc are no excuses. If you play 'normally' without ever grinding and apply common sense (aka a basic understanding of game mechanics) nothing below nemesis can 1-shot you.

'1-shot' is often a lie: it's a combination of bad tactics ("chaaarge!!!"), stingy players ("dont use that component now cause I surely find something better") and what not that leads to 3-shots, but the player percieves it as '1-shot'

[Faust Wither]

being one shotted pretty much what Befuddled Honey Badger said, if that happen you lack of health, DA is low and your resistance is also low.

[FlamingX21]

Yeh, just like @andrew.thiele said celestial trio - loky, 3 Ravagers and Mogrdgoen... I wouyld say don't you even bother to beat them alone. The thing about these creatures is that I looked up many bulds designed spceficly to each one and ofcourse it worked aswell killed them very fast, atlhoguh as I meantinued before, designed specifily for them and their posion/acid ect. was like -25% even... so if they step on crab they ded, but they still can defeat 1 of those things...

All in all they can easily 1 hit you, absoloutly possible, absoloutly feels liek they cheatin soemtimes, liek uhh... decorative powers they have, artifically power them up jsut in huge numbers and gadzillion defubs and skills, wich you obviosuly can't do yourself. I beated them both SOLO tho, so... that was soemthing, but I coudn't built a build which will kill every one of them and no, I didn't specialize any build to 1 celestia lboss only, which means I always do overcaps on main resists ect. ect.

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by Fidget:

The game is prone to occasional damage spikes of crazy proportions - often from enemies you've beaten countless times without a scratch. That's how you die in one shot.

This may be because the can spawn with different gear each session.

[Reziarfg⑰]

i like the replies so far. i really like playing as a tanky character because most of the boss fights seem to take place is close contained rooms. i do know the nemesis bosses are randomly out in the open.

[Befuddled Honey Badger]

Originally posted by Reziarfg:

i really like playing as a tanky character because most of the boss fights seem to take place is close contained rooms. i do know the nemesis bosses are randomly out in the open.

Some Nemeses will spawn in closed off areas depending on their spawn point that session. A good example is Moosilauke spawning in UC or SoT.

Also you don't need to be that tanky to kill anything up to Lokarr, only Mogdrogen and Ravager requires the insanely high DA/% dodge/armour/resistances. Everything up to Lokarr just requires enough defenses to not die 1 hit/crit but mainly you need knowledge of the mechanics (game and boss/Nemesis/Celestial) and to not facetank literally everything. Case in point, I have an Elemental caster Deceiver that I use to farm Lokarr and it only has 13k hp, 2.5k DA and ~1,650 armour and I have to stay within a 4m radius of him to maximise my damage. I just know enough about the game now after over 1,700 hours to not die stupidly.

[Cthulhu's Email Server]

DK is a super tanky build and mine rarely takes much damage from anything less than a nemesis. Even a few of them barely scratch him. Kupa will hit him hard and maybe Grava might be a challenge.

[Lilpoetboy]

I got one shotted by the Mad Queen on elite yesterday, as it was my first ever encounter, and didnt know what to expect, now i do.

[Gilgamesh]

May be actually bother to go out of starting area and face tank madqueen, lokarr, Kravail blizzard, Garagol's volcano, aleksander meteor, gravathul one shot orb, mogdrogen and ravager?

[bkenny583]

I didn't run into issues into the expansion part of ultimte after finishing the main story. I died a few times and have trouble with nemisis bosses but can't think of any one shots. Really that's just like the ones with that shotgun attack high damage base attack like Mad Queen I think. And my guy is a not so tanky purifier so I don't see you getting one shot with a DK to often

[Cthulhu's Email Server]

Originally posted by LoL:

May be actually bother to go out of starting area and face tank madqueen, lokarr, Kravail blizzard, Garagol's volcano, aleksander meteor, gravathul one shot orb, mogdrogen and ravager?

Yep. that is pretty much the one-shot hall of fame membership club.

[Cthulhu's Email Server]

And I would add Fabius Shadow Strike depending on what he spawns with and your build choices.

[Thorny]

I have been one-shotted before. I was also being stupid every time it happened. Gotta have some patience