Kra'vall, Ancient of the Waters

[Nightbringer]

Jeez, in all my gaming history I cannot remember the worse boss than him. I do not know what devs thought when they made him.

Insta kills? Check.
Death room? Check.
Never ending spawns? Check.
Constantly being whitled down with no respite? Check.
Massive chunk of hp? Check.
No thought for class balance? Check.


It is like the worse aspects of game design all put in one. Half of my deaths are solely by him, I just kept exploiting portal into his room until I killed him. Funnily enough, during my least fight, I brought him down from 75% hp to 0% as I had learned how to play, but boy, I was not having fun. There is hard and there is unfair. I have quite a lot of hp for my hero and now I had balanced my resistances properly. I have max resist against cold and 75 ish for all other. I struggle to think how Aether Ray build is supposed to kill a boss which insta kills you if you stay in one spot longer than 2 seconds. Nor I understand what I'm supposed to do when all the other spots are constantly attacking me and not for meager amounts and you have to keep fleeing constantly just to stay alive from constant AoE damage in that ring.


This was the toughest fight of the entire game and I do wonder what those sorry excuses for the end bosses are doing in their sorry caves. Why damn side quest is more challenging to complete and give greater satisfaction of beating that unfair ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ than completing entire game's story?

[LezDole]

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

In game such as this, insta kills for a character which has proper defenses are in fact design flaws. Insta kills are cheap deaths which indicates that developers could not figure out how to make boss hard without him having overly punishing moves. Furthermore, we are not talking about elite or ultimate content. We are talking about veteran content which should be designed for more casual play. Yet, this boss is not that. Other bosses might be difficult, but they do not have same cheap moveset as this boss. Constant shelling, constant harrasment, insta shots, some builds being just plain out worthless against boss. These are critiques which no one yet had properly faced.

You dont have proper defenses. You do not know the game, you are not good at game. Why cant you accept that? You need to play to be good in the game, and not make constant threads in forums about its "flaws". This is your second or third thread about the game, and its literary 100% whining. There isnt a monster in the game that can 1shot a character with proper defenses. It just isnt possible. Are you gona make a thread about every monster in game that you have hard time defeating?

Why cant you accept that you are not good at the game, and go from there and improve your self, work on yourself?

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by LezDole:

This is your second or third thread about the game...

Keep going, apparently you missed a few... it is way more than 2 or 3...

[Finnvbot]

7 threads on the first 2 pages. I didn't bother looking any further.

Accepting that you might be at fault is one of the hardest things to do for certain people. It takes humility and we know how scarce this precious resource is. Again, without the grimtools link, we can't really help much, especially since the build is reportedly flawless (that's what she said, anyway).

[Nightbringer]

Maybe then you should look into what I'm writing, because now you just talk utter rubish. Do you really are that thick that you expect other individual to accept your nonsense then it is factually wrong?

[Boink]

Originally posted by LezDole:

Why cant you accept that you are not good at the game, and go from there and improve your self, work on yourself?

Being fair, see my earlier post on this boss.

Kra'vall gave two of my 100 HC chars dicey moments on veteran. That's a fairly big challenge for a 1st time veteran char.

[Prey]

Originally posted by Anathema:

It's only an instant kill boss if your character sucks, which is the root of the problem. You don't want to admit that your characters suck and you don't know how to build properly, so you blame it on bad design.

If charcter sucks, that mean the game is unbalanced.

[Valkez]

Originally posted by Prey:

If player sucks, that mean the game is unbalanced.

There, I fixed it for ya.

[Finnvbot]

Learning the game is hard. It takes time and practice. No bueno!

Casting the blame on everything but yourself is easy. Takes no time nor effort. Muy bueno!

[Nightbringer]

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YVWKJMLV


I did not bothered with the rest. I will just say that I have auto generated belt which provides necessary missing resistances when needed and components filled the rest. If I'm facing aether enemies or that boss, I had different resistances. In fact, first time when I had beaten that boss, I had maximum resistances in all of his damage types, but after that I replaced my gear with legendaries and I had easier time beating this boss. Not on a first time, because of silly things, but it was definately possible. Strange, because my resistances fell from near maxed out to around 50%.


So, I had roughly 5.8k health and 80 to 60% protection levels and I were 68 - 69 level.. Elemental resistance was already capped by that point while poison resistance lagged behind, being 60% or so. Yet, boss still have the tendency to one shot. If he hits you with his two aoes and luck is not in your favor, initial burst leaves me so low that any aoe or mob can finish me quickly.


Advise here is simply bad sometimes. Stay in the middle? How? Boss just spams his deadly Aoe everywhere I'm. I cannot stay next to boss. I cannot stay in the middle and get surrounded with new wave of spawns and dance around little ground I have. I have to embrace the tentacle which then results in hellish experience.

[Valkez]

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YVWKJMLV


I did not bothered with the rest. I will just say that I have auto generated belt which provides necessary missing resistances when needed and components filled the rest. If I'm facing aether enemies or that boss, I had different resistances. In fact, first time when I had beaten that boss, I had maximum resistances in all of his damage types, but after that I replaced my gear with legendaries and I had easier time beating this boss. Not on a first time, because of silly things, but it was definately possible.


So, I had roughly 6.4k health and 80 to 60% protection levels. Elemental resistance was already capped by that point while poison resistance lagged behind, being 60% or so. Yet, boss still have the tendency to one shot. If he hits you with his two aoes and luck is not in your favor, initial burst leaves me so low that any aoe or mob can finish me quickly.


Advise here is simply bad sometimes. Stay in the middle? How? Boss just spams his deadly Aoe everywhere I'm. I cannot stay next to boss. I cannot stay in the middle and get surrounded with new wave of spawns and dance around little ground I have. I have to embrace the tentacle which then results in hellish experience.

How many posts on these forums do you have already? 10? 15?
And you still haven't figured out how to upload your character on Grimtools after people have been asking for your build hell knows how many times?

If I had to judge your build by what you linked, I'd say its resistances sucks, its OA/DA sucks, bla bla bla... but you said you have all your resistances sitting at roughly 75%. So upload your real build by clicking on that little arrow on top of the left column, so that some good-hearted patient guy may actually help you with whatever toon you're struggling with.

[Prey]

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

In game such as this, insta kills for a character which has proper defenses are in fact design flaws. Insta kills are cheap deaths which indicates that developers could not figure out how to make boss hard without him having overly punishing moves. Furthermore, we are not talking about elite or ultimate content. We are talking about veteran content which should be designed for more casual play. Yet, this boss is not that. Other bosses might be difficult, but they do not have same cheap moveset as this boss. Constant shelling, constant harrasment, insta shots, some builds being just plain out worthless against boss. These are critiques which no one yet had properly faced.

Path of Exile have same problem, but in PoE he is much more annoying than Grim Dawn.
You can easily meet hero monsters with combo affixes which makes them invincible and deadly as hell.
Some bosses have instakill actions that kill you no matter what.
Once i saw video on youtube where someone build Maruder for massive HP regeneration. Absolutely unkillable in normal situations. Except bosses isntakill moves.
Instakill moves are cheap and ♥♥♥♥ way for punish players for no reason and destry their ambitions and cunning.
At last, after 218457482395 hours you complete your gear! Now you have all resitances caped, high HP regen, HP leech etc. and sudenly you are killed becuz instakill.

I start Ultimate with my pure Shaman (self-found). I have 54% stun resist but I dunno what for, if every hero monster with stun moves stun me everytime when use it.
Same with 85% Ice resist and 39% freeze resist. And I'm always freezed.
So it's not enough monsters deal massiva damage at Ultimate? Really, is a cheap, if monster freeze/stun lock me just like that and I can't do anything.
It's stupid as hell, when you tr fight with mob when you have 27& Life Steal, but can do nothing, becus he just perma freeze/stun you and you not find items for resist this.
Same problem with resitances for Aether/Chaos early game. It's realy hard find items with that.
Grim Dawn also has a problem with too many defenses. Resistance to cold should shorten the freezing time. It should not be separate statistics, because you can not protect everything. Luck that someone is so lucky and will find any predictions that give him time to freeze / stun him. However, it always happens at the expense of damage, so it also does not make sense.

[Prey]

Originally posted by Valkez:

Originally posted by Prey:

If player sucks, that mean the game is unbalanced.

There, I fixed it for ya.

If you are retarded troll, that means players sucks becus you cant deal with reality? Poor kiddo. Go to therapist.

[Nightbringer]

Yea, that is not that easy. It requires to desync your save files from cloud. Save folder is full of junk which import tool does not recognize. You seem to be just a troll hell bent on insulting others. You would benefit greatly from shutting up and actually reading what I write, honey.


Furthermore, it is impossible anymore, because...I was playing in meantime and had changed a lot of my gear. GASP. Though, I do see of what kind of person you are. It does not matter what I will upload, you will whine and attack me on silliest of things anyways. You even do not realize that this is on veteran and I'm rocking very high quality gear for my hero already. Though, logic and perspective was never a strong suit of fanboys.

[Finnvbot]

Originally posted by Prey:

If you are retarded troll, that means players sucks becus you cant deal with reality? Poor kiddo. Go to therapist.

Pot, meet kettle. Trust me, you're in no position to call other people to be, uhm, slow in development. How about you go and take your own piece of advice? That will be beneficial to all parties involved. And I've met mentally challenged people who are many leagues above you in terms of intellect. Don't ever use this insult lightly.

[Sephumbra]

First off: You can load up a character to grim tools by just using the button for it on the top left. No need to rebuild it on grim tools.

That being said, your equipment is all over the place to put it mildly. It just doesnt go together except maybe 2 or 3 pieces. If your health and defensive ability (in relation to your level) is anywhere near being that low its no wonder you die. In that case your survivability is near non-existant. No Idea about your resistances since you could not be bothered to set that up. Your armor is ridiculously low too.

That relic you have equipped is perhaps one of the worst relics one could possibly have equipped. Since you explicitly do "not" want to get hit by a critical the skill on it is useless. And with hp and defences that low a critical will most likely be the death of you anyways.

Not that any of this will even get you anywhere since you do not listen to people.