Linux (or Proton) support?

[Tomkatt]

I totally get it if there won't be full Linux support for the game. But I'm wondering if the devs plan to implement Proton support with Steam Play?

I ask because the game is fully playable with the latest Proton beta build already, but playing it in Linux with Steam Play seems to flag anti-cheat protection or something, as bosses don't spawn and you can't apply masteries, so there's no way to progress.

If it weren't for those issues the game would (presumably) be fully playable with Proton 3.16 beta.

[Anathema]

Getting games to work with Proton is Valve's responsibility. No company is under any obligation to modify their games to work with it. Crate is not going to disable or modify anti-piracy measures for the very, very small percentage of Linux players when Proton isn't even their responsibility.

[IFIYGD]

You know, the last thread posted about this did not end well.
Zantai posted something near the end, before the trhead got locked.

You may want to read it, and maybe use the Search feature in the forums to see if your question was already asked.

Because we really do not need another repeat of the last thread, or the OP from that one coming back to go at the conspiracy theory again...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/3397295779075684009/

Direct link to Zantai's post: https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/3397295779075684009/?ctp=13#c3397295779079297321

[Anathema]

Yeah honestly I'm getting really tired of these Proton threads.

[Tomkatt]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

You know, the last thread posted about this did not end well.
Zantai posted something near the end, before the trhead got locked.

You may want to read it, and maybe use the Search feature in the forums to see if your question was already asked.

Because we really do not need another repeat of the last thread, or the OP from that one coming back to go at the conspiracy theory again...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/3397295779075684009/

Direct link to Zantai's post: https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/3397295779075684009/?ctp=13#c3397295779079297321

Thanks for that. I searched but didn't see any comments from the devs on it. And that conspiracy dude was a total nutterball. I get it, it's an old engine kludged into supporting multi-threading and DX11. There's no vast conspiracy.

That said, I'm also surprised to see the mix of indifference and or outright antagonism toward Linux users in that thread. I dual boot, and mainly only for Grim Dawn. 350+ hours in the game. I've been on it since Early Access, and have the xpac and crucible (and looking forward to the next xpac) and it's literally the only reason I even boot Windows.

So... still hoping for one day I guess. It may not seem a big deal to you or some others, but Proton is a huge step forward for Linux based gamers, and many of my Windows games do run fine on it (including GD, other than the issues specified).

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by Tomkatt:

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

You know, the last thread posted about this did not end well.
Zantai posted something near the end, before the trhead got locked.

You may want to read it, and maybe use the Search feature in the forums to see if your question was already asked.

Because we really do not need another repeat of the last thread, or the OP from that one coming back to go at the conspiracy theory again...

https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/3397295779075684009/

Direct link to Zantai's post: https://steamcommunity.com/app/219990/discussions/0/3397295779075684009/?ctp=13#c3397295779079297321

Thanks for that. I searched but didn't see any comments from the devs on it. And that conspiracy dude was a total nutterball. I get it, it's an old engine kludged into supporting multi-threading and DX11. There's no vast conspiracy.

That said, I'm also surprised to see the mix of indifference and or outright antagonism toward Linux users in that thread. I dual boot, and mainly only for Grim Dawn. 350+ hours in the game. I've been on it since Early Access, and have the xpac and crucible (and looking forward to the next xpac) and it's literally the only reason I even boot Windows. So... still hoping for one day I guess.

I think the " mix of indifference and or outright antagonism toward Linux users" is an aillusion you are choosing to see. In reality, IMHO, the anatagonism, indifference and hostility was directed at one.single.Linux.user.alone. - the OP, in response to his flaming, and outlandish accusations against Crate and other posters. You get enough poop thrown at you, you will eventually decide to scrape some up and throw it back. Basic human psychology there.

Very few of us are Gahndi.

If it were not so the popular hositle meme "SJW" would not exist.

So, you got your answer. Let's let it drop, or delete the thread, before the flames get fanned up once again...

[Anathema]

It's not as though I dislike Linux in any way. I have no reason to. However, people need to take these reports to the ones actually responsible for dealing with the problems. I think that some people think that they will get results faster if they go to the developer instead, but it's just not going to happen.

[Faust Wither]

@OP: but you know, Proton was made to play the game so is not like crate that should completed thier software with proton, should be the other around proton that should support playing grimdawn cause dev said they only gonna focus on windows OS, that why they gonna make it 64x in next patches. maybe some of linux programer should be working on it so it can go well in that OS. hope you can enjoy the game same as windows player.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1542435721
i just gonna leave this here in case someone need it.

[powbam]

@Tomkatt - I think that Crate has pretty much determined that this is something Valve is going to have resolve on their own. You probably gathered from that thread that I think they're fully capable of doing so to. Regular Wine_steam runs GD just fine with none of these issues so logic follows that Valve has something extra happening in Proton (a fork of Wine) causing the issue.

You seem a bit more reasonable in your thought processes than the last guy so I think you can see where I'm going with that and why I think it.

If it helps any I did do an experiment by creating a character in Windows, getting it to level 2, and without actually choosing a mastery I closed the game and then booted into my Linux install and then grabbed it in a file manager from the Windows partition and placed it in the save directory for GD in Linux. Basically I wanted to see if it would work at all and let me choose a mastery. It did work but I was limited to only like 4 of the masteries I think. At the moment that was the limits of that particular test and I haven't yet pushed it any further to see what would happen on the next level up.

If you do try this you are going to want to have cloud saving disabled.

And my advice: push Valve to get GD whitelisted ASAP so they can resolve this already. I'm convinced that they can totally fix it on their end if they get someone on it and debug the cause.

[Tomkatt]

Originally posted by powbam:

@Tomkatt - I think that Crate has pretty much determined that this is something Valve is going to have resolve on their own. You probably gathered from that thread that I think they're fully capable of doing so to. Regular Wine_steam runs GD just fine with none of these issues so logic follows that Valve has something extra happening in Proton (a fork of Wine) causing the issue.

Oddly, Grim Dawn in regular WINE setup just runs like trash. Like, 20-30 fps on a i5 4690k and GTX 1060, Not sure why it's running so poorly in WINE standalone (even with winetricks) when it runs great in Proton. Wife and I did a ton of testing but no luck getting it full speed without bugs outside of Proton. Could be expansion related, I've read that original GD works well in WINE without the x-pac so long as you use the DX9 flag, but I can't roll back the DLC, I have expansion characters and Crucible.

I'll just wait for Valve to keep updating. This is a fairly new process, so I'm sure it'll get figured out eventually. The latest beta with 3.16 fixed a lot of games, including some I play, so I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

[powbam]

Originally posted by Tomkatt:

Originally posted by powbam:

@Tomkatt - I think that Crate has pretty much determined that this is something Valve is going to have resolve on their own. You probably gathered from that thread that I think they're fully capable of doing so to. Regular Wine_steam runs GD just fine with none of these issues so logic follows that Valve has something extra happening in Proton (a fork of Wine) causing the issue.

Oddly, Grim Dawn in regular WINE setup just runs like trash. Like, 20-30 fps on a i5 4690k and GTX 1060, Not sure why it's running so poorly in WINE standalone (even with winetricks) when it runs great in Proton.

I'll just wait for Valve to keep updating. This is a fairly new process, so I'm sure it'll get figured out eventually. The latest beta with 3.16 fixed a lot of games, including some I play, so I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

I'm referring to the possible anti-pirating issues, not the performance. And even in Proton I have to say the performance was far from good with a GTX 960 with regular steep dips and I couldn't even use DX11 with it due to models flashing everywhere repeatedly.

[Tomkatt]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by Tomkatt:

Oddly, Grim Dawn in regular WINE setup just runs like trash. Like, 20-30 fps on a i5 4690k and GTX 1060, Not sure why it's running so poorly in WINE standalone (even with winetricks) when it runs great in Proton.

I'll just wait for Valve to keep updating. This is a fairly new process, so I'm sure it'll get figured out eventually. The latest beta with 3.16 fixed a lot of games, including some I play, so I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

I'm referring to the possible anti-pirating issues, not the performance. And even in Proton I have to say the performance was far from good with a GTX 960 with regular steep dips and I couldn't even use DX11 with it due to models flashing everywhere repeatedly.

I had it running in proton at 60 fps with no visual bugs or graphics issues. Are you on the Nvidia 396.54 proprietary driver? You need to grab the PPA and update to that driver along with the Proton 3.16-3 beta for best performance as far as I can tell.

[powbam]

Originally posted by Tomkatt:

Originally posted by powbam:

I'm referring to the possible anti-pirating issues, not the performance. And even in Proton I have to say the performance was far from good with a GTX 960 with regular steep dips and I couldn't even use DX11 with it due to models flashing everywhere repeatedly.

I had it running in proton at 60 fps with no visual bugs or graphics issues. Are you on the Nvidia 396.54 proprietary driver? You need to grab the PPA and update to that driver along with the Proton 3.16-3 beta for best performance as far as I can tell.

I was on Manjaro with the latest experimental 3.19 kernel and Nvidia beta drivers 410. Proton I've tried with both the 3.16 and the one prior.

[Tomkatt]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by Tomkatt:

I had it running in proton at 60 fps with no visual bugs or graphics issues. Are you on the Nvidia 396.54 proprietary driver? You need to grab the PPA and update to that driver along with the Proton 3.16-3 beta for best performance as far as I can tell.

I was on Manjaro with the latest experimental 3.19 kernel and Nvidia beta drivers 410. Proton I've tried with both the 3.16 and the one prior.

Ah, okay. I dunno if it means anything but I'm on Ubuntu 18.04. Pretty sure newer kernel revisions have better driver support overall. They made a big deal about the new Radeon support in 4.18. My kernel is on 4.15.