Is it wrong to use gd stash

[JOHNNY]

I hear many player complain about how easy it is but turns out they use gd stash .

Cant blame them . The rng and grinding for rare material is getting old .

[Cthulhu's Email Server]

No. As long as you dont go out and make an uber-buld, lay waste to most of the game, and come on to the forums to complain about how easy the game is and why the devs need to make it more challenging.

Edit: Basically what your first sentence after the subject title says.......dont do that and you are fine.

[JOHNNY]

Ooooooh ok then . I really want to enjoy but its really random for specifics . I wish it war more like we get a blue print then we can craft it

But then again its arpg not monster hunter

[Valkez]

Well, the main point of the game (at least, for me) is to restart over and again with new, different builds. A lot of builds though are based on conversion or specific items, which the game's RNG system may or may not give you after so many hours.

For me, RNG, combined with the crazy amount of items, the difficulty of current Crucible, and the compulsory need of starting over and again to test some new endgame combo brought me to use GDStash to give myself what piece of gear I need. No over-the-top stats, no cheated affixes, just legit gear that Mother Luck could have given me 1000 hours ago but might give in the next 3000.
That, and the fact that AoM nullified my stash characters full of legendary sets and items with the introduction of the higher level cap and Mythical items.

[Cthulhu's Email Server]

It is frustrating trying to get those certain items that you really need for your build and I can see GDstash's use in alleviating that. I personally dont use it but sometimes get frustrated too. It would be nice if BPs dropped a little more frequently.

Update! Major milestone today: I just completed my first level 94 set. Dagallon's Destroyer.

WOOOOHOOOOO! Only 20 more sets to go.

[Raviel]

Originally posted by ducky:

I hear many player complain about how easy it is but turns out they use gd stash .

Cant blame them . The rng and grinding for rare material is getting old .

The drop rate here is like 6+ times what you had in diablo 2.
Good farming paths or crusible gladiator if you can farm it(quite easy in coop), give a good amount of legendaries. (~7 per run, in coop runs can take less than 5 minutes)

Personally i prefere trading extras with other people, it speeds up the process dramatically. Completing sets solo is indeed very time consuming.
If it isn't enough, you can use gdstash just be considerate about it.

Originally posted by Valkez:

Well, the main point of the game (at least, for me) is to restart over and again with new, different builds. A lot of builds though are based on conversion or specific items, which the game's RNG system may or may not give you after so many hours.

For me, RNG, combined with the crazy amount of items, the difficulty of current Crucible, and the compulsory need of starting over and again to test some new endgame combo brought me to use GDStash to give myself what piece of gear I need. No over-the-top stats, no cheated affixes, just legit gear that Mother Luck could have given me 1000 hours ago but might give in the next 3000.
That, and the fact that AoM nullified my stash characters full of legendary sets and items with the introduction of the higher level cap and Mythical items.

I felt this was a major problem of expension too. It felt like they went the Diablo 3/WoW way of making older things useless to force people to farm from beginning, which is a shame, if they are going to do this with the next expension i might not even bother getting it at all.

Should at the very least have added a way to upgrade legendaries if there is an advanced version of same item. Or like regular -> empowered -> mythical for blues

[Azunai]

Originally posted by ducky:

I hear many player complain about how easy it is but turns out they use gd stash .

Cant blame them . The rng and grinding for rare material is getting old .

ultimately it boils down to how much cheating *you* find acceptable. of course there can be now doubt that adding some items to your toon is cheating. whether it is "wrong" or "right" to do so is your private decision in a single player game.

if you don't mind dropping some rare pieces of loot into your game, that's your call. noone has any right to tell you what you should or shouldn't do in your private copy of the game :)

to be honest, i wouldn't do it. it's hard to draw a line once you start using such cheats/tools. and at some point i always ended up dropping the games where i used cheats to advance. but of course that's just my personal experience. other people may have a different stance and a different level of tolerance towards manipulation of games :)

[Cyseal]

I honestly have never understood the need to cheat items for yourself. What do you do when you have the items you made for yourself..? Beat up the superbosses and feel good about yourself because you didn't bother to make any effort to do that? Congratulations.

It's even worse than the players in Diablo 3 who are asking for a "boost"; they run behind the host, while he kills everything and you just collect the loot that drops. Why are you even playing the game if you're not, you know, -playing- the game?

If you don't have the time to grind for your items, then that's fine, don't. There is absolutely no need to make that perfect build (which you copied off somewhere) because every single enemy and quest in this game can be beaten without those perfect items.

I am HIGHLY against this type of cheating (yes, it is the perfect word for this) and I would never play with anyone who uses GDstash or similar mods.

[Valkez]

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

I honestly have never understood the need to cheat items for yourself. What do you do when you have the items you made for yourself..? Beat up the superbosses and feel good about yourself because you didn't bother to make any effort to do that? Congratulations.

Items are but tools. RNG can give them to you or not, it ultimately does not matter one bit. You're not more skilled than I am because you got your items after 1000 SoT runs (which I still did before AoM, duh), or because some good soul traded you his stuff for that +5 Badge of Mastery. In the end, you can be completely purple and uber-green, and still fail miserably because you've thrown points all around without the slightiest idea about how to build a character.
This game is a gear-check only up till Ultimate. Then it will come down to how good you are at building your toons.

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

I am HIGHLY against this type of cheating (yes, it is the perfect word for this) and I would never play with anyone who uses GDstash or similar mods.

There comes the bigotry.
"Burn the witch, because she wanted to spend her time playing rather than grinding".

[Cyseal]

Originally posted by Valkez:

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

I honestly have never understood the need to cheat items for yourself. What do you do when you have the items you made for yourself..? Beat up the superbosses and feel good about yourself because you didn't bother to make any effort to do that? Congratulations.

Items are but tools. RNG can give them to you or not, it ultimately does not matter one bit. You're not more skilled than I am because you got your items after 1000 SoT runs (which I still did before AoM, duh), or because some good soul traded you his stuff for that +5 Badge of Mastery. In the end, you can be completely purple and uber-green, and still fail miserably because you've thrown points all around without the slightiest idea about how to build a character.
This game is a gear-check only up till Ultimate. Then it will come down to how good you are at building your toons.

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

I am HIGHLY against this type of cheating (yes, it is the perfect word for this) and I would never play with anyone who uses GDstash or similar mods.

There comes the bigotry.
"Burn the witch, because she wanted to spend her time playing rather than grinding".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but.. Isn't grinding playing the game? I know that when I start grinding, I start up the game, load up my character, use my skills, go into the area what I want and I kill stuff. I call that actually playing the game.

Same can't be said for manipulating the game. You log in to your character, you use the mod and you have items, not actually playing the game to get what you wanted. I call that cheating and NOT playing the game.

And no. The game isn't just a gear-check until Ultimate. If it was, you wouldn't have to put points into anything, you wouldn't have to get levels (by playing) to withstand the damage.

Bigotry or not, people who don't have the time OR the nerves to play the game (PLAY the game) shouldn't feel bad for not playing it. It's just not a game for them. And, as I said, there is NOTHING in this game that forces you to use a mod. Everything can be beaten without the best in slots for your character, there is absolutely zero need to use GDstash and similar mods. Unless you're the type of person who wants to achieve everything without doing nothing. Which already makes you a person that I despise.

[KG]

For any spectators out there, GDStash is mainly for storing & then sorting through your gear efficiently. Nobody shows up to break your legs if you don't use it to modify your characters or give yourself items you haven't yet found in-game.

[Mr_Mosey]

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

Bigotry or not, people who don't have the time OR the nerves to play the game (PLAY the game) shouldn't feel bad for not playing it. It's just not a game for them. And, as I said, there is NOTHING in this game that forces you to use a mod. Everything can be beaten without the best in slots for your character, there is absolutely zero need to use GDstash and similar mods. Unless you're the type of person who wants to achieve everything without doing nothing. Which already makes you a person that I despise.

There are several problems with your statement:
1. The game tends to get into the habit of dropping the items you're NOT looking for w/ the char you're playing, i.e. gear made for almost every other build but the one you're currently playing. When me & one of my friends are going thru the SoT, BoC, Port Valbury, or w/e she CONSTANTLY gets upgrades for my toon (AAR-focused Archanist/Necro) & I sometimes get upgrades for hers. (DW Firestrike pistol Pyro) with the rest being things for soldiers, nightblades, & poison-focused builds, which I have no interest in playing anytime soon.

Another issue w/ the RNG is it tends to keep dropping items for set you already have.
A few days ago, me & my friend just found the last piece of the eastern set after searching for a VERY long time. (she ofc, found the gloves) And the next day I got the shirt from Log, & the pants during a BoC run within mere hours.
Plenty of other people have this problem, too. I seen a post on either reddit or official forums where one guy got about 8 full sets of a Legendary Occultist set after FINALLY completing it.
RNG just gets locked in a certain set of items for a while & takes a LONG time to get out of it.
((Despite some people saying things like: "Oh, it doesn't actually do that at all." Or "That's just anecdotal, so it's basically not true or desn't matter."))

[Cyseal]

Originally posted by Mr_Mosey:

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

Bigotry or not, people who don't have the time OR the nerves to play the game (PLAY the game) shouldn't feel bad for not playing it. It's just not a game for them. And, as I said, there is NOTHING in this game that forces you to use a mod. Everything can be beaten without the best in slots for your character, there is absolutely zero need to use GDstash and similar mods. Unless you're the type of person who wants to achieve everything without doing nothing. Which already makes you a person that I despise.

There are several problems with your statement:
1. The game tends to get into the habit of dropping the items you're NOT looking for w/ the char you're playing, i.e. gear made for almost every other build but the one you're currently playing. When me & one of my friends are going thru the SoT, BoC, Port Valbury, or w/e she CONSTANTLY gets upgrades for my toon (AAR-focused Archanist/Necro) & I sometimes get upgrades for hers. (DW Firestrike pistol Pyro) with the rest being things for soldiers, nightblades, & poison-focused builds, which I have no interest in playing anytime soon.

Another issue w/ the RNG is it tends to keep dropping items for set you already have.
A few days ago, me & my friend just found the last piece of the eastern set after searching for a VERY long time. (she ofc, found the gloves) And the next day I got the shirt from Log, & the pants during a BoC run within mere hours.
Plenty of other people have this problem, too. I seen a post on either reddit or official forums where one guy got about 8 full sets of a Legendary Occultist set after FINALLY completing it.
RNG just gets locked in a certain set of items for a while & takes a LONG time to get out of it.
((Despite some people saying things like: "Oh, it doesn't actually do that at all." Or "That's just anecdotal, so it's basically not true or desn't matter."))

There are several problems with your statement:

1. No, it doesn't. It's completely RnG. I've been getting upgrades for myself whatever character I'm playing with. The more I play, the more I see the RnG in action. There are SO many items you can get, it's no wonder you won't get something for your specific character, even 1 out of 10 drops isn't probably for your spec. And that's the way most people prefer it, that's the reason you can always make new characters and you can always trade items with other people. If you intend to play solo without no alternate characters, that's on you.

Another problem with your statement is that I've been getting PLENTY of different set items, so my experiences (and I'm 99 % the majority of the player base) are different. Most of the times, it's the vocal minority that bother to make threads and posts. Also, as said; you do NOT require a full set to be able to beat the hardest enemies in the game. If you want to complete the set then you should be prepared for a long run. Eventhough that will be "fixed" in the next expansion.

These are nothing but opinions, since we do not have any concrete data on anything. So no. There are no "problems" with my statement.

[Mr_Mosey]

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

Bigotry or not, people who don't have the time OR the nerves to play the game (PLAY the game) shouldn't feel bad for not playing it. It's just not a game for them. And, as I said, there is NOTHING in this game that forces you to use a mod. Everything can be beaten without the best in slots for your character, there is absolutely zero need to use GDstash and similar mods. Unless you're the type of person who wants to achieve everything without doing nothing. Which already makes you a person that I despise.

2. People play games for FUN and EVERYONE ELSE'S version of fun ISN'T and SHOULDN'T be the same as yours. And there are PLENTY of people who love the game & have FUN with it ( & don't mind some grind) but get bored w/ the build they're using and don't have the time to futily try to grind for what they need b/c of how finnicky the RNG is for not giving them the gear they need to have fun again.

There wouldn't be so many different items & sets for each class if it wasn't desinged to be fun to play with & I've looked at quite a few of them. The sharp-shooter set looks fun, & DWing 2 Havocs, oooh, looks VERY fun, in an evil way... The Eastern Set I'd like to use but have lacked the Physique to put on the pants so it's basically just dumping more points into necro & waiting for the right gear to drop w/ + Phys on it.

If the devs didn't want people to "cheat" then they would've made it online only like D3 is. In which case, then, they'd most likely fix the drop issues by making it less RNG & more: 'I have a 1/200 chance to get a piece the Eastern set then I WILL get one on my last roll out of the 200'. Or have a merchant where you can buy the items you haven't gotten already for reasonble amounts, or something similar. Games with drop systems like that actually do exist & I've played a few, so it's not impossible to program.

People play games for FUN, you know, to de-stress & if someone has to "play" the game to get what they need to actually have fun then it's just more work & does the exact OPPOSITE of why they ever got the game in the first place.

[JOHNNY]

I really wish it was more like any other games . No rarity , kill x and get x weapon . But again arpg is arpg .

The only difference is class , build and story .


The whole thing is the same .

[Valkez]

Originally posted by Mikaelion:

Bigotry or not, people who don't have the time OR the nerves to play the game (PLAY the game) shouldn't feel bad for not playing it. It's just not a game for them. And, as I said, there is NOTHING in this game that forces you to use a mod. Everything can be beaten without the best in slots for your character, there is absolutely zero need to use GDstash and similar mods. Unless you're the type of person who wants to achieve everything without doing nothing. Which already makes you a person that I despise.

So, if I don't have the patience, GD is not a game for me. Nor for about half of the theorycrafters and build-makers in the official forums. Right. Your logic is brilliant, you just showed how ridiculous, petty and bigot you are.

You even failed to get my point. Of course everything can be beaten in the game without best-in-slots, because a good build is gonna be good (which is what I meant when I said the game is a gear-check up till Ultimate, then gear alone wont carry you). But some builds require some particular items to work (again, due to conversions or modifiers).

As for achieving everything, I actually started using GDStash after I had already beaten HC Ultimate on a few toons, but whatever. You know what's funny? You wouldn't even recognize a guy who uses GDStash moderately if he didn't tell you. Because all the gear could be found by luck, and you would be none the wiser.