The Strongest Legit PvP Build ?

[eredwithrin]

I won every PvP challenge iv done so far (except a Retaliation Tank Build and a Summoner because their dmg wasn't enough to kill themselves). Why ? Because >>> https://imgur.com/a/b5YRR <<< Keep searching a legit build that could counter a Reflect dmg Tanker!

[StreamWhenGuy]

Hmm... okay?

[eredwithrin]

oh no i just lose a game from a guy called Majestic (Commando) he was dealing tons of dmg , but my 300% reflect wasnt able to harm him at all , hows that possible ? Even if he has 3k life regen is not enough to keep him always MAX Life , something strange is going on ,,,,

[Berserk Knight]

There is something called reflect damage reduction. Slap on enough of it, and your 300% reflect would hit like a 30% reflect. Then comes the resists.

[SpiralRazor]

or...it could just be cheats.

[Gilgamesh]

Spellbreaker? thats like a prenerf loximere on steriods. 6 second of double mirror is all you need to kill anyone.

[eredwithrin]

Originally posted by Berserk Knight:

There is something called reflect damage reduction. Slap on enough of it, and your 300% reflect would hit like a 30% reflect. Then comes the resists.

i allready fight against 115% reflect dmg reduction (*which u need to invest a lot to get it) and they die with 3-4 hits. I even fight a guy dealing Lighting dmg with 100% Lighting ressist and he still died 1 hit. That Commando guy deal tons of Damage Over Time and he had 2.7k life regen without buffs. Or he cheat Or his Total Life regen was more then his DoTs which i reflect to him back with 314% more dmg of what he dealed to me, does it make sense ? Hacker ? His name is Majestic , let him appear and enlight us what is really going on!

[Fendelphi]

It is a possibility that his damage absorbtion+resistance allows him to negate most of his return damage.

Let us say that he has a total of 20% damage absorbtion, as well as 80% resistance, and also absorb 1000 damage flat.

If his ability would deal 10000 damage to you(after resist, etc.) which would then be amplified by 314% and returned towards him, he would take a base of 31400 damage.
That is reduced by 80%(if it was a pure fire attack, for instance, and he has 80% resistance), making it 6280.
This is further reduced by the 20% damage absorbtion, making it 5024.
Finally we add the flat absorbtion amount, making it 4024.

So, you take 10000 damage, and 4024 is reflected back to him.

If he then had some "attack converted to health", he would be able to heal a lot of that back up with each attack as well.
If he also had some "reduce reflect damage" stats, it would also reduce how much damage he would take from the reflect.
A few circuit breakers would also help extend the life of the attacker(Menhir's Will, Turtle Shell, Arcane Barrier).


Without more information, however, it is pure guesswork about what happened.

Anyway, if my understanding of the reflect mechanic is correct, having max resistance of the damage you deal will largely negate the enemy's reflect %. Especially if you also have "ActH".

An 80% resist would mean that any return damage would be divided by 5. While your reflect(at about 300%) would only be a multiplier of 3.
So if it was a race relying on just that, he would clearly win.

[Fendelphi]

Also, you could try to ask him directly(send him a friend request). Tell him that you are interested in how he made his build work, which items he used, devotions, etc. After all, it does sound impressive.
If it turns out that the build is legit, it would be a real shame to call him a possible cheater here.
If it turns out to be a cheat build, just ignore the person in the future. No point in wasting more time on it.

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Originally posted by KamisantaLolz:

Hmm... okay?

Do you ever actually contribute to discussions? Or do you just use forums to vent your weeb frustration?

[eredwithrin]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Also, you could try to ask him directly(send him a friend request). Tell him that you are interested in how he made his build work, which items he used, devotions, etc. After all, it does sound impressive.
If it turns out that the build is legit, it would be a real shame to call him a possible cheater here.
If it turns out to be a cheat build, just ignore the person in the future. No point in wasting more time on it.

actually im happy that someone beat me cause now im working to make my class better, he use : Mythical Tinker's Ingenuity and Mythical Markovian's set and he uses Devotions for Dmg (i didnt get more information from that) and some life regen rings and a rare weapon from Crucible

[eredwithrin]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

It is a possibility that his damage absorbtion+resistance allows him to negate most of his return damage.

Let us say that he has a total of 20% damage absorbtion, as well as 80% resistance, and also absorb 1000 damage flat.

If his ability would deal 10000 damage to you(after resist, etc.) which would then be amplified by 314% and returned towards him, he would take a base of 31400 damage.
That is reduced by 80%(if it was a pure fire attack, for instance, and he has 80% resistance), making it 6280.
This is further reduced by the 20% damage absorbtion, making it 5024.
Finally we add the flat absorbtion amount, making it 4024.

So, you take 10000 damage, and 4024 is reflected back to him.

If he then had some "attack converted to health", he would be able to heal a lot of that back up with each attack as well.
If he also had some "reduce reflect damage" stats, it would also reduce how much damage he would take from the reflect.
A few circuit breakers would also help extend the life of the attacker(Menhir's Will, Turtle Shell, Arcane Barrier).


Without more information, however, it is pure guesswork about what happened.

Anyway, if my understanding of the reflect mechanic is correct, having max resistance of the damage you deal will largely negate the enemy's reflect %. Especially if you also have "ActH".

An 80% resist would mean that any return damage would be divided by 5. While your reflect(at about 300%) would only be a multiplier of 3.
So if it was a race relying on just that, he would clearly win.

the thing is that i have a friend that we test things together and he uses Aether Cluster and he still 1 shot himself when he attacks me like almost everyone else on server, Just he is the 1st one who Deal soooo much dmg and his Life is almost full even when i activate Blade Barrier that is 100% extra reflect and Shield Wall which is 135% reflect more i go about 540% reflect dmg and his life is always max , can that be true ?

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

the thing is that i have a friend that we test things together and he uses Aether Cluster and he still 1 shot himself when he attacks me like almost everyone else on server, Just he is the 1st one who Deal soooo much dmg and his Life is almost full even when i activate Blade Barrier that is 100% extra reflect and Shield Wall which is 135% reflect more i go about 540% reflect dmg and his life is always max , can that be true ?

Wait, can he damage you through the blade barrier? That does sound strange.
As for his health not dropping, it could potentially be a latency issue(not showing his actual health fast enough, before it has recovered again).

If he is using the mythical Markovian+M.Tinkers, he could have very high absorbtion rate and health regen.
I just checked using Grimtools, and with just those items and some skill allocation(no devotions, components or augments), you are able to reach 2000 health regen per scond(That is when everything triggers though).
I would imagine getting rings that focus on health regen, a weapon with a bit of lifesteal, + devotions & other gear(components+arguments), it should be possible to reach 3k per second + what ever the liftsteal gives.

But as I said, this is pure speculation on my part.

Spellbreakers(or any class involving Arcanist) are still some of the best PvP classes to my knowledge, simply due to Ereoctes and Nullification. It is quite possible that you could win a rematch if you time Nullification right, since it would remove all the buffs(both defensive and offensive).

[eredwithrin]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

the thing is that i have a friend that we test things together and he uses Aether Cluster and he still 1 shot himself when he attacks me like almost everyone else on server, Just he is the 1st one who Deal soooo much dmg and his Life is almost full even when i activate Blade Barrier that is 100% extra reflect and Shield Wall which is 135% reflect more i go about 540% reflect dmg and his life is always max , can that be true ?

Wait, can he damage you through the blade barrier? That does sound strange.
As for his health not dropping, it could potentially be a latency issue(not showing his actual health fast enough, before it has recovered again).

If he is using the mythical Markovian+M.Tinkers, he could have very high absorbtion rate and health regen.
I just checked using Grimtools, and with just those items and some skill allocation(no devotions, components or augments), you are able to reach 2000 health regen per scond(That is when everything triggers though).
I would imagine getting rings that focus on health regen, a weapon with a bit of lifesteal, + devotions & other gear(components+arguments), it should be possible to reach 3k per second + what ever the liftsteal gives.

But as I said, this is pure speculation on my part.

Spellbreakers(or any class involving Arcanist) are still some of the best PvP classes to my knowledge, simply due to Ereoctes and Nullification. It is quite possible that you could win a rematch if you time Nullification right, since it would remove all the buffs(both defensive and offensive).

No he never dmg me thro Blade Barrier , you missunderstood , as about Nullification it doesnt work on pvp i test it several times same as Cleanse Waters, none of those skills work on pvp, as about Life Leech i have 75% Life Leech Ressist and i fight a build with very high Life Leech and he said that Leeching doesnt help him at all, we could tried some duels if you are intersting invite eredwithrin on steam

[Pawamax]

Originally posted by eredwithrin:

Originally posted by Berserk Knight:

There is something called reflect damage reduction. Slap on enough of it, and your 300% reflect would hit like a 30% reflect. Then comes the resists.

i allready fight against 115% reflect dmg reduction (*which u need to invest a lot to get it) and they die with 3-4 hits. I even fight a guy dealing Lighting dmg with 100% Lighting ressist and he still died 1 hit. That Commando guy deal tons of Damage Over Time and he had 2.7k life regen without buffs. Or he cheat Or his Total Life regen was more then his DoTs which i reflect to him back with 314% more dmg of what he dealed to me, does it make sense ? Hacker ? His name is Majestic , let him appear and enlight us what is really going on!

there wont be reflected dmg if reflected dmg reduction is over 100%, how they still died with 3-4 hits?????

[Fendelphi]

I was pretty sure that Nullification worked in PvP at some point. Oh well, I havent been keeping track of it for a while.

Life Leech resist has nothing to do with "attack damage converted to health".
In fact, I dont think players can deal life leech damage any more(the items and devotions that gave life leech has been changed in a previous patch).

Life Leech resistance is, to my knowledge, strictly PvE now(like Mad Queen).