I am planing to play as blademaster

[2cool4u]

Would need some help building it.
Though to be honest when I started this discusion I was dreaming about phantasmal blades dual wield blademaster.
Right now I know it is pointless.

So what I am looking for is good build for blademaster (be it dual wield or 2h - as long as it's melee)
or a NB build for phantasmal blades. I think it should work fine for Ocultist combo and I heared it can also be good for necro combo.

What I would like for everyone to keep in mind is I will not have good gear so it must be not very gear dependant. Also I am so far planing builds wth no devotions - dont know much about them, so if anyone could help me with those especialy for builds I am thinking about

As for builds I am thinking about:
something like that for Blademaster:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/eZPOJqXV
and something like that for Witchhunter:
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/YZeKxdr2

[Geir]

I doubt I see much use in going a blademaster/soldier build as other classes got better options.
Arcanist/Inquisitor is really nice from my point. But then I love trying new things, but for a soldier point you probably better of just getting the survivability from the blademaster and go full soldier with 2 hand or Ring of steel/tanking. But in most is really what you want to try out, you can do resets but sadly you can't change the picks you do. So best bets are taking 2 that got options to mix around with each other. Like Demo/Arcanist with Flash freeze & fire skills. You will need the - resistance so is always vital to find something that mix well at least from my choice.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/dVbnvb3V - I did this one for a friend a while back and helped them lvl it, and got it in gear and can't say is really bad, Decent amount of survival and crowd control when you need to move. But the gear was just something I put in for them to see options. But in real that would be something I would play if I would go Blademaster mix.

Survival, Crowd Control and AoE based damage. But as always all builds can be changed as you lvl as what you plan might end weak or you get better gear improving other types of choices.

[2cool4u]

Any other advice? I would really want to try dual wield blademaster, so if anyone can help it would be great. I doubt build I thought off would be optimal since I know litle about the game.

If dual wield blademaster cant work then what can? i have a good idea how to make dual wield gunslinger but much less idea about how to make melee dual wielder.
What is important to me is AOE dmg. Comparing my primal strike Warder with any other build I tried so far is like heaven and earth. His Aoe is godlike. My dual wielder doesnt have to be as amazing but if he could be at least close to that - that would be awesome:P

[ur dream gurl]

Whoever said that dw BMs don't work is an idiot - it's unarguably the most efficient way to play BM
Look at Belgothian's set and build around that

[Halcyon]

DW BM is great at pierce damage. I have one and really enjoy it. I find that infiltrator is similar but better though.

Belgothian strikes or Cadence, all the WPS from nightblade plus 5 points in markovian's advantage, night's chill to 10 or higher, shadow strike to 7, ring of steel to 11, pneumatic burst to 6, max shadow dance, splash anatomy of murder and phantasmal armor, fill out soldier passives, and boom, pointy killing machine.

[Hurricane]

Shadow strike seems poop to nlme bar getting in the middle to ring of steel. Auto attacks do way more damage. I still havent picked my seconday mastery for my dw class. Im going cold though so only really want passives and buffs or debuffs that are passive due to my bar being full already. Game doesnt give you enough points... 50 in each mastery for end game skills... i need a elite passive thing the one you can only have one of

[2cool4u]

Originally posted by Halcyon:

DW BM is great at pierce damage. I have one and really enjoy it. I find that infiltrator is similar but better though.

Belgothian strikes or Cadence, all the WPS from nightblade plus 5 points in markovian's advantage, night's chill to 10 or higher, shadow strike to 7, ring of steel to 11, pneumatic burst to 6, max shadow dance, splash anatomy of murder and phantasmal armor, fill out soldier passives, and boom, pointy killing machine.

Inq is dual wield gunner, NB is duald wield slicer - have no idea how to combine those.

As for the rest of your advice - there is skill after dual wield called "belgothian shears" is that "belgothian strikes" u mentioned? Problem with skills after DW in NB is - except poision one (i rather avoid poison builds) all of them have 20% chance to activate so its hard to build on them.

I was thinking of going phantsm blades simply because its ranged and when it start piercing it will be good aoe (i hope). Cadence... I decided it may be better than fire strike for my dual wield gunslinger becaise of its piercing (it can make diference at range) but does piercing give u anything when u do melee atacks? phantasm blades is ranged so piercing seem op, but when u slash a guy with auto atack does it makes a diference it this atack pierce or not? I am not saying it doesn't. All I am saying is I have no idea how would that make a diference:P


PS: I deleted all my old chars so I am under preasure to find good buiid:P I would prefere to avoid going primal strike again (even though I love it) what I would love the most is finding fun and strong dual wield build (preferably blademaster, first of all it sound cool:P and second of - I do like defensive pasives and soldier and NB both have those^^)


PS2: as I said NB/soldier is my priority but if it would be more optimal to go nb/inq than ok but how? At this point all i want is dual wield melee build with aoe dmg (clearing mob waves 1 monster at a time would be a pain) dmg type doesnt matter to me but I would like to avoid poison (not saying its bad - i just dont like poison in games)

[Halcyon]

gimme like 20 minutes and I'll post some links to builds as edits to this reply

infiltrator: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/D2p6aRyZ
blademaster w/ cadence: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2g9wqBZ

Neither of these are perfect but they should give you some ideas

[2cool4u]

Thanks, I dont search for "perfect" builds i am looking for viable and fun.
Are those tested (like did u go to 100 with them) or theoretical?

I will probably test one of those (personalised a bit but still thanks for something to start with)

Why do You find infiltrator stronger than blademaster?
And am I blind or does infiltrator not have replacemenent for base attack? Cause BM has cadence (hopefully its strong with melee) how is infiltrator slicing through enemies?

[Halcyon]

infiltrator uses the granted skill from the full belgothian set, so it's much more gear dependent. I find infiltrator better because it has better heals, higher damage, and more resistance reduction for the correct damage types than blademaster. On the other hand, blademaster tends to have higher OA and DA and armor values.

Really at the core of it is that infiltrator has a higher ceiling (IMO) than blademaster, but it requires a lot more gear and a lot more skills to make it work.

I have similar layouts to both of these builds at 100, but I've never taken them through crucible or SR, and the layouts are not 100% identical to what I've posted since I'm at work and don't have my saves.

[Hurricane]

The worst thing about this game is locked masteries. Maybe lock your first but allow the 2nd to be changed. Its tedious as fk to level from 1 and keep a blank canvas to build a build. It seems the fastest leveling is the spam skills like force wave. They literally mash everything until 50 and by then youre ready to make a build. Do anything else is slowwwwwwwwwwwwww and putting 1 point here or there is just not worth it specially the 8% proc crap. I wanna shield spec class but will need to level with forcewave again :/

Pet build was the only really evolving build for me so far.

The dw class can hold its own until 70ish then it drops off due to lack of da although it has loads of oa it just cant face tank and gets 1 banged.

[2cool4u]

That can actually be a very good advice, though to make use of it I would have to skip duald wield builds, especialy melee dual wield builds (since u can have dual wielding pistols skill from items)
well of course that is if u go for anything else than NB or Inq as starter.

Anyway... shields... I dont much like them in cRPGs, usualy I go for 2h or dual wield. Paladin in D2 was exception but thats just because it was made for using board and i liked how the class looked^^

Tbh I kinda regret focusing on Blademaster in the title, because I have so many builds I would like to know more.

Anyway if I have to stick to 1 mastery (which sounds like a good Idea to avoid reseting again if I change my mind about second mastery) for me choice is between Soldier and Shaman (forcewave or primal strike) eventualy Demolitionist fire strike, unless I will learn how to build phantasmal blades NB. Or rather sticking to that up to 50 seem fairly easy. Making something good out of it later looks harder - NB builds seem to pretend PB does not exist^^ To me this skill seem badass but people seem to think it suck, no idea why^^

PS:I wanted something more original than forcewave or going back to primal strike, but since I had no botter ideas I will probably do something like this: https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2g9ylOZ
Damn, can't even find one build Idea and I need 2 - one for solo and the other for duo with a friend:P

[Hurricane]

Force wave and primal strike are built for 2 handers though... they are not dw skills.

[2cool4u]

Originally posted by Hurricane:

Force wave and primal strike are built for 2 handers though... they are not dw skills.

Well I started this topic planing to go dual wield blademaster. But since then I am not that determined - not that many interesting options for it IMO. So i am strugling between dual wield melee/dual wield guns/2h melee/2h guns. Since I plan to make 2 alts I will get to test at least 2 of those options.

But long story short - I know primal strike and forcewave are 2h skills (mostly 2h anyway).

Thing is I want to avoid summoner/mage/and sword&board aproach (S&b just because i dont much like how this setup look^^ so maybe I will end up as a tank anyway one day when I stop being so stuborn:P).

But thanks everyone for help so far - every opinion is precious, especialy build Ideas. If anyone want U can check out my skill build from previous post.
My blademaster phantasmal blade dual wielder from the first post sucks hard I know that now:P Seem to be U have to choose between PB and DW (thought not sure why - they are not exclusive like Primal Strike or Force Wave and dual wield)


ediit:
so here are 2 builds I came up with so far:
2h melee Commando (i posted it here yesterday somewhere above): https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2g9ylOZ

and Ranged Tactitian (if it works it probably does with both dual wield and 2h aproach): https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E4eXvN

I think if I go for Commando or tactician I will go with one of those simply because I made them so if they fail I have no one else to blame:D

PS: can someone recommend a good phanstasmal blades build? but the thing is it cant be very gear dependant since I am pretty new so I will have mostly what I will find^^
PS2: just for hell of it I will try to find online some good tank comps. Probably there are some, wasnt easy to find interesting PB builds but tanks seem fairly common in games.
Probably not gonna try prepare something myself (but who knows?^^) but if I did I think for a tank one should pick any combination of 2 out of: demo, soldat, oath keeper? Soldat and OK seem to have a lot of skills focusing on using a shield at least. Or are there other good options I didnt think of?

[2cool4u]

OMG i am dumb, just now figured out that primal strike can be used with ranged 2h, he has also 2h pasive buff that aply to ranged and that Inquisitor has pasive buff to ranged.
I am a sucker for melee weapons so before i played shaman as 2h warrior and never concidered him as anything else but...
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V03rMJ2
this looks so fun on paperXD
Ok forgot some of inq attack modyfiers will not work since i mutated primal strike:( snif snif:(
but i put those points in inquisitor seal. Dont think build is worse than it would be if those effects on attacks could triger, but its less noob friendly - u have to press 1 button more:D
https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNk6nYqZ

[Hurricane]

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/62ayoXB2

Im playing the class you want right now.

It does plenty DPS but its squishy as fk... i need spam some points in them soldier passives :\