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ZiFFA Jul 31, 2019 @ 6:48am
Warden damage on Elite is insane
The hits from the arrow after rage just deal 3k each mean it's insta kill you no matter what.

It's just to much

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/r2BpK9bZ

The rest of his attack are ok but when he shots the arrow he just 1 hit
I used the aether pot and went to 47% aether resist, still 1 hit
Last edited by ZiFFA; Jul 31, 2019 @ 6:52am
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powbam Jul 31, 2019 @ 6:52am 
If I had to guess - it's your low Aether resistance that is hurting you the most in this particular instance. That and you might want to master the dodging of said arrows.

https://www.grimtools.com/monsterdb/276/skills
Last edited by powbam; Jul 31, 2019 @ 6:53am
ZiFFA Jul 31, 2019 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by powbam:
If I had to guess - it's your low Aether resistance that is hurting you the most in this particular instance. That and you might want to master the dodging of said arrows.

https://www.grimtools.com/monsterdb/276/skills
I'm telling you something wrong with the arrows, the others attack that should be way more powerfull don't deal so much damage.
1 hit even with 9k hp and 47% aether resist is impossible, you simply lack the gear at that part of the game you'll never reeach 80% aether resist before Warden on Elite
Azunai Jul 31, 2019 @ 7:05am 
why not just kite him around the table? he can't shoot the arrows through it.

your only decent attack skill is ranged and has a cooldown, so you really have no reason to be in melee range and take more than one of the projectiles of his shotgun skill. which is not going to kill you even with low aether res.
ZiFFA Jul 31, 2019 @ 7:07am 
Originally posted by Azunai:
why not just kite him around the table? he can't shoot the arrows through it.

your only decent attack skill is ranged and has a cooldown, so you really have no reason to be in melee range and take more than one of the projectiles of his shotgun skill. which is not going to kill you even with low aether res.

Then go test it by yourself if you don't beleve me, i have 400hours on this gamee i know how to play, and you can't boost overall damage and telling people "then just dodge them" because that attack and that boss was never even able to 1 hit even on Ultimate with way lower hp class.

They bosted all daamge without twiking the boss, go test it it just 1 hit
andrew.thiele Jul 31, 2019 @ 7:36am 
Originally posted by Ziffa:
you simply lack the gear at that part of the game you'll never reach 80% aether resist before Warden on Elite

Challenge accepted, and easily solved:

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/RZRQyqvV
Last edited by andrew.thiele; Jul 31, 2019 @ 9:00am
Luzzifus Jul 31, 2019 @ 7:39am 
Just tested on both Elite and Ultimate with my Sorcerer. On Elite the darts hit like a limp noodle, just standing still and taking 2x 2 darts to the face results in maybe 1.5k hp lost total. On Ultimate the same standing still action takes around 4-5k hp.
Faust Wither Jul 31, 2019 @ 7:53am 
change your cold stone with purified salt. and maiven sphere level 4 really?
Last edited by Faust Wither; Jul 31, 2019 @ 7:53am
adoomgod Jul 31, 2019 @ 9:03am 
Originally posted by Ziffa:
Originally posted by Azunai:
why not just kite him around the table? he can't shoot the arrows through it.

your only decent attack skill is ranged and has a cooldown, so you really have no reason to be in melee range and take more than one of the projectiles of his shotgun skill. which is not going to kill you even with low aether res.

Then go test it by yourself if you don't beleve me, i have 400hours on this gamee i know how to play, and you can't boost overall damage and telling people "then just dodge them" because that attack and that boss was never even able to 1 hit even on Ultimate with way lower hp class.

They bosted all daamge without twiking the boss, go test it it just 1 hit
Between my two steam accounts I've put over 7000 hours into the game and his damage is fine.
Azunai Jul 31, 2019 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by Ziffa:
Originally posted by Azunai:
why not just kite him around the table? he can't shoot the arrows through it.

your only decent attack skill is ranged and has a cooldown, so you really have no reason to be in melee range and take more than one of the projectiles of his shotgun skill. which is not going to kill you even with low aether res.

Then go test it by yourself if you don't beleve me, i have 400hours on this gamee i know how to play, and you can't boost overall damage and telling people "then just dodge them" because that attack and that boss was never even able to 1 hit even on Ultimate with way lower hp class.

They bosted all daamge without twiking the boss, go test it it just 1 hit


i loaded up an old toon around that level and gave it a try. a spellcaster similar to the OP with sky shards. crap items, level 60, 7k hp, ~20% aether resistance, 700 armor.

i forced myself to stand still and eat the volley and died after the 3rd or 4th wave. no 1 hit. not even close.

now maybe that's just me, but actually having to dodge the dangerous moves of a chapter endboss on ELITE difficulty seems appropriate when playing a squishy spellcaster with lacking resistances.

there's a reason why the table in the middle of the room is 100% bulletproof. if you can't be arsed to dodge, play something sturdy that can facetank stuff.
ZiFFA Jul 31, 2019 @ 9:59am 
Originally posted by Azunai:
Originally posted by Ziffa:

Then go test it by yourself if you don't beleve me, i have 400hours on this gamee i know how to play, and you can't boost overall damage and telling people "then just dodge them" because that attack and that boss was never even able to 1 hit even on Ultimate with way lower hp class.

They bosted all daamge without twiking the boss, go test it it just 1 hit


i loaded up an old toon around that level and gave it a try. a spellcaster similar to the OP with sky shards. crap items, level 60, 7k hp, ~20% aether resistance, 700 armor.

i forced myself to stand still and eat the volley and died after the 3rd or 4th wave. no 1 hit. not even close.

now maybe that's just me, but actually having to dodge the dangerous moves of a chapter endboss on ELITE difficulty seems appropriate when playing a squishy spellcaster with lacking resistances.

there's a reason why the table in the middle of the room is 100% bulletproof. if you can't be arsed to dodge, play something sturdy that can facetank stuff.
IDK i just get 1 shottted even with 50% aether resist, the char is not squishy at all
Mikek111 Jul 31, 2019 @ 10:38am 
Even on ultimate Warden is a scrub. Arrows may be hitting you for a lot due to their overlapping damage nature, i.e. it is not only aether damage.
Rikkore Jul 31, 2019 @ 10:47am 
Also if you stand at a certain range he never does the arrow move.

At this point you should just dodge attacks instead of trying to face tank it
FemmeDracula Jul 31, 2019 @ 11:28am 
Originally posted by Ziffa:
I'm telling you something wrong with the arrows, the others attack that should be way more powerfull don't deal so much damage.
1 hit even with 9k hp and 47% aether resist is impossible, you simply lack the gear at that part of the game you'll never reeach 80% aether resist before Warden on Elite

I had 83% aether resist in Ashes of Malmouth normal difficulty.

One easy 20% resist boost + 3% max you can get is to craft or find purified salt to equip in a weapon, shield, or offhand. And then turn on the skill the component gives you.
spacecoasttoast Aug 2, 2019 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by Ziffa:
The hits from the arrow after rage just deal 3k each mean it's insta kill you no matter what.

It's just to much

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/r2BpK9bZ

The rest of his attack are ok but when he shots the arrow he just 1 hit
I used the aether pot and went to 47% aether resist, still 1 hit

I'm a new player playing Veteran and same thing. Warden insta kills when he morphs into "POWERFUL". I love Veteran mode only had to turn off for Warden. Everything else so far enjoying dying . You have to really think it through and play carefully on Veteran mode.
I cant imagine Warden on Elite if he was like that on Veteran. Cronley was so easy on Veteran by comparison. But challenging......
Sin Aug 3, 2019 @ 12:17am 
He almost killed my level 54 sorceress with said arrows earlier today in Elite. I got clipped by two of the three arrows from the first volley (they were overlapping on the side I was dodging toward, ♥♥♥♥ happens) and they hit for about 3800 life. (approx. 1900 each I guess)
If I'd been hit by 3 bolts at the same time at any stage of the fight I was dead for sure as I only have 4200 life total, 600 armour, and 41% Aether Resist.

But hey, I expected it to be rough if I messed up, I'm still in glass cannon mode like any self-respecting crazy bomb throwing fire wizard should be.

I checked out your build and the only things I have that seem better than your setup are Blast Shield 7 and Maiven's Sphere 11. Literally everything about your build seems tankier apart from those two skills.
Last edited by Sin; Aug 3, 2019 @ 12:19am
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