Gunslinger build with Havoc

[Gui]

I have only reached mid Elite and farming Legendaries, but already got 2 Havoc guns !
Are they good enough to build a toon around them ?

[frdnwsm]

Havoc is a nice pistol. Alas, I only have found one so far. Where have you been farming for them?
There are other decent pistols around, though. Empowered Marauder's Fury is pretty much as good as Havoc even though it's only classed as epic.

[KG]

They're the best physical pistols out there, so yeah - you can build a pretty strong tactician around them.

[Gui]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

Havoc is a nice pistol. Alas, I only have found one so far. Where have you been farming for them?
There are other decent pistols around, though. Empowered Marauder's Fury is pretty much as good as Havoc even though it's only classed as epic.

Just rushing through Elite, not even doing side quests.... I think they dropped somewhere in Act 2

Thanks guys

[MadCookie]

if u get mythcal items lvl 84/94 then it might be worth buliding a char around them. but for the lvl 50`s im not so sure ^_^ but its up to u :D gunslinger is a fun class

[Shredder]

Havoc is a soldier weapon and does physical and trauma damage I think so they aren't the guns for you. You need something with fire and elemental damage. I have them too but are mostly useless and are not appropiate for a gunslinger build. Deviltongue is even better.

[frdnwsm]

While Havoc does indeed do physical damage, you can certainly get fire damage output from it.

Load up with Devil-touched ammo, apply Hexxer's Kiss to the weapon and Hexxer's Delight to a couple of rings, then boost fire damage even further with gear. I've got something like 800% fire damage increase on my Purifier on Veteran difficulty. Since Purifier is all about fire/lightning, using Flame touched and Fire strike gives a large fire damage output.

[Shredder]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

While Havoc does indeed do physical damage, you can certainly get fire damage output from it.

Load up with Devil-touched ammo, apply Hexxer's Kiss to the weapon and Hexxer's Delight to a couple of rings, then boost fire damage even further with gear. I've got something like 800% fire damage increase on my Purifier on Veteran difficulty. Since Purifier is all about fire/lightning, using Flame touched and Fire strike gives a large fire damage output.

You can apply that logic to any weapon in the game but it's not meant for it. I would use a yellow weapon before doing that s***. just sayin

[frdnwsm]

>"You can apply that logic to any weapon in the game but it's not meant for it. I would use a yellow weapon before doing that s***. just sayin"<

Please be serious. That statement is a gross exaggeration. I did say the fire conversion was due to it being used by my Purifier. If I were using it with a soldier build, say a Warder using a Gunslinger Talisman for example, and he was focused on physical/puncture damage I'd load it with Silvercore and get gear that buffed puncture damage.

Havoc has a lot of buffs that justify converting it to a fire based weapon for my Purifier. Increased attack speed, increased overall speed and a life leech effect are all quite useful properties. urthermore, neither my Oathbreakers, Empowered Marauder's fury nor Madiators do as much damage, despite having undergone the same treatments.

Lastly, I challenge you to find any yellow pistol in the game that comes anywhere near matching Havoc in offesive firepower.

[KG]

Originally posted by Shredder:

Havoc is a soldier weapon and does physical and trauma damage I think so they aren't the guns for you. You need something with fire and elemental damage. I have them too but are mostly useless and are not appropiate for a gunslinger build. Deviltongue is even better.

"Gunslinger" has always been kind of vague to me so I'm assuming "build a toon around them" to mean he would actually use Soldier. Otherwise you're kind of wasting those beautiful skill points. :/

[frdnwsm]

>""Gunslinger" has always been kind of vague to me so I'm assuming "build a toon around them" to mean he would actually use Soldier. Otherwise you're kind of wasting those beautiful skill points. :/"<

Inquisitor builds are the ones most suitable for a gunslinger type. You can, of course, make a
Soldier/Inquisitor build (Tactician), but then, as I mentioned earlier, you won't be concentrating on elemental damage; you will be using a default attack like Cadence rather than Fire strike.

Purifier =>Inquisitor + Demolitionist.
The Demo part of the build is what calls for a specialization in fire and/or lightning damage.

A build without Inquisitor as part of it needs special gear in order to be able to dual wield pistols.

[Shredder]

Originally posted by KG:

Originally posted by Shredder:

Havoc is a soldier weapon and does physical and trauma damage I think so they aren't the guns for you. You need something with fire and elemental damage. I have them too but are mostly useless and are not appropiate for a gunslinger build. Deviltongue is even better.

"Gunslinger" has always been kind of vague to me so I'm assuming "build a toon around them" to mean he would actually use Soldier. Otherwise you're kind of wasting those beautiful skill points. :/

you're right. Gunslinger tells me nothing either. What two classes is OP using? oO

[frdnwsm]

Shredder said: "you're right. Gunslinger tells me nothing either. What two classes is OP using? oO"

I don't think the OP had actually made one yet. He just said that he found two Havoc pistols, and wanted to know if they were good enough to build a character around them. It was a question simply looking for information, which seems to have triggered a whole spate of somewhat tangential responses.

[Shredder]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

"you're right. Gunslinger tells me nothing either. What two classes is OP using? oO"

I don't think he actually made one. He just says that he found two Havoc pistos, and wanted to know if they were good enough to build a character around them. It was a question simply looking for information, which seems to have triggered a whole spate of somewhat tangential responses.

Ya I see. "good enough to build a toon around them""???? The answer is yes if you know what you are doing D'uh... LMAO unsubbing sheesh

[KG]

Originally posted by frdnwsm:

>""Gunslinger" has always been kind of vague to me so I'm assuming "build a toon around them" to mean he would actually use Soldier. Otherwise you're kind of wasting those beautiful skill points. :/"<

Inquisitor builds are the ones most suitable for a gunslinger type. You can, of course, make a
Soldier/Inquisitor (Tactician), but then, as I mentioned earlier, you won't be concentrating on elemental damage, and you will be using a default attack like Cadence rather than Fire strike.

Purifier =>Inquisitor + Demolitionist.
The Demo part of the build is what calls for a specialization in fire and/or lightning damage.

A build without Inquisitor as part of it needs special gear in order to be able to dual wield pistols.

I don't really need a basic Grim Dawn education. I'm saying that "Gunslinger" only really implies using two pistols - as that is what the items named "Gunslinger" enable in Grim Dawn. It doesn't say much about actual class or build. You think Inquisitor is most suitable? For a long time Pyromancer was essentially unmatched for DW ranged builds - and it is still very very strong for that purpose, arguably better than something with Inquisitor. People also used "Gunslinger" to refer specifically to DW ranged Sorcerers - I assume because of the damage types the relics buffed and added or something else from pre-1.0.0.6 when I started playing. It just doesn't say much by itself.

[frdnwsm]

Yes, the term Gunslinger refers to anyone using two pistols. Possibly related to the names of some gear/relics that allow this. Gunslinger jacket and Gunslinger talisman come to mind. That sort of thing was necessary if you wanted to dual wield pistols prior to the inception of the Inquisitor build.

The only reason I say that Inquisitor is most suitable is that DW and other firearms usage buffs are an inherent part of its skill tree; no extraneous gear is required. Of course anyone can DW pistols with the right gear. I have a Saboteur who DWs pistols, using a Marauder Talisman (DW pistols work with Blade Burst). But it does take up a gear slot in order to do so.