Primal Strike. Attack speed or cast speed

[The Green Bastard]

I don't think this has been asked or maybe I wan't looking hard enough but does PS benefit from attack speed or cast speed?

I guess it's a physical attack but the way it works kinda makes me think cast. Need clarification.

[Jet Uppercut]

Attack speed.
If it has Weapon Damage, it's an attack is the general consensus.

[Zantai]

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Attack speed.
If it has Weapon Damage, it's an attack is the general consensus.

It is attack speed, but % Weapon Damage is not why that is the case.

A simple rule to determine whether you use Attack Speed or Cast Speed is whether your weapon has to make contact with the enemy for the attack to go off (or a bullet is fired from your gun).

Example, Forcewave has % Weapon Damage, but the weapon does not strike the foe, a shockwave is generated. It uses Cast Speed.

[The Green Bastard]

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

[Psykrom]

Originally posted by Zantai:

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Attack speed.
If it has Weapon Damage, it's an attack is the general consensus.

It is attack speed, but % Weapon Damage is not why that is the case.

A simple rule to determine whether you use Attack Speed or Cast Speed is whether your weapon has to make contact with the enemy for the attack to go off (or a bullet is fired from your gun).

Example, Forcewave has % Weapon Damage, but the weapon does not strike the foe, a shockwave is generated. It uses Cast Speed.

good to know, I was thinking about creating a forcewave character sometime soon.

[Jet Uppercut]

Originally posted by Zantai:

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Attack speed.
If it has Weapon Damage, it's an attack is the general consensus.

It is attack speed, but % Weapon Damage is not why that is the case.

A simple rule to determine whether you use Attack Speed or Cast Speed is whether your weapon has to make contact with the enemy for the attack to go off (or a bullet is fired from your gun).

Example, Forcewave has % Weapon Damage, but the weapon does not strike the foe, a shockwave is generated. It uses Cast Speed.

Are you sure? I have a Tremor build and I'm almost certain that +% Attack Speed increased the sheet DPS and animation speed. I'll have to test it out.

[Tatanka]

Originally posted by Zantai:

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Attack speed.
If it has Weapon Damage, it's an attack is the general consensus.

It is attack speed, but % Weapon Damage is not why that is the case.

A simple rule to determine whether you use Attack Speed or Cast Speed is whether your weapon has to make contact with the enemy for the attack to go off (or a bullet is fired from your gun).

Example, Forcewave has % Weapon Damage, but the weapon does not strike the foe, a shockwave is generated. It uses Cast Speed.

sorry but nope, forcewave uses attackspeed aswel
have a forcewave toon with focus on attackspeed and its slamming that stuff like a machine gun
maybe both apply ...

[Zantai]

No...it does not...

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Forcewave scales with Cast Speed.

Try it in a mod if you doubt me, give yourself 2 copies of the same weapon. One with 100% Cast Speed and another with 100% Attack Speed and see the difference.

[Jet Uppercut]

Originally posted by Zantai:

No...it does not...

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Forcewave scales with Cast Speed.

Try it in a mod if you doubt me, give yourself 2 copies of the same weapon. One with 100% Cast Speed and another with 100% Attack Speed and see the difference.

Well at least I found out now and not in Ultimate. Saved me a lot of wasted time.
Now I know why nobody uses it.

[powbam]

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Now I know why nobody uses it.

Really? Depends on who you happen to define as nobody. Plenty of people have and use Forcewave/Tremor builds.

Need to peek outside the box once in a while.

[Jet Uppercut]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Now I know why nobody uses it.

Really? Depends on who you happen to define as nobody. Plenty of people have and use Forcewave/Tremor builds.

Need to peek outside the box once in a while.

Why would I peek outside the box? I built the box to keep the rubbish builds out.
Forcewave can stay out there with Panetti's Replicating Missile and Sigil of Consumption.

[powbam]

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Originally posted by powbam:

Really? Depends on who you happen to define as nobody. Plenty of people have and use Forcewave/Tremor builds.

Need to peek outside the box once in a while.

Why would I peek outside the box? I built the box to keep the rubbish builds out.
Forcewave can stay out there with Panetti's Replicating Missile and Sigil of Consumption.

Then that's on you homie. But if you're gunna make sweeping statements like it's a fact based on, whatever you based the statement on (your own friends circle perhaps), then I have to call the BS when I see it so you don't mislead others with slanted/wrong views.

You don't like cast speed? That's your right but don't assume noones using it. That'd be where you're wrong.

[Jet Uppercut]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Why would I peek outside the box? I built the box to keep the rubbish builds out.
Forcewave can stay out there with Panetti's Replicating Missile and Sigil of Consumption.

Then that's on you homie. But if you're gunna make sweeping statements like it's a fact based on, whatever you based the statement on (your own friends circle perhaps), then I have to call the BS when I see it.

You don't like cast speed? That's your right but don't assume noones using it. That'd be where you're wrong.

Bad people can use it, that's on them Homie G-Unit.
I'm not gonna remake my character as a battlemage, farm for a commando armor set and build for caster stats on a physical weapon damage skill.
Seems counter productive at best.

[powbam]

It's not exactly hard to get cast speed. It isn't even hard anymore to get cast and attack speed together on gear.

Originally posted by Jet Uppercut:

Bad people can use it

And there you are making sweeping statements again with no basis in reality or fact besides whatevers happening in your own cranium.

Anyway, play what ya like. The game lets ya do that.

[Tatanka]

how did this turn into a pissing contest on attack speed or cast speed ...

[powbam]

Originally posted by De Zeis:

how did this turn into a pissing contest on attack speed or cast speed ...

If you read the words you'd see that I took exception to his claim that nobody used it.

Ez and done.