Best Classes in Order

[Bullet1968]

Knights = This is obviously the best
Archers = Respected by all. My favourite peons
Man At Arms = Nippy Fellows with honour
Vanguards = Noob choice depthless. The sewer of Chivalry.

[Nightcrawler]

no one respects archers...

[CuddleBundles]

Not always noob choice, The Halberd, specifically, is nooby, not ENTIRELY the class.
Archers...They're a whole different story.....

[Judeo-communism]

1. Archers: Warbow with broadhead, cudgel.
2. Man at Arms: Falchion, heater shield, oil pots, dane axe, hatchet, broad sword, even Norse sword still, forward dodges.
3. Knights: Warhammer, sword of war, kite shields, flanged mace, falchion.
4. Vanguards: Archer fodder, team supporters, no shields.

[Bloodhead]

As much as I do like your phrase 'The sewer of Chivalry'...

1. Vanguards (that is until halberd gets nerfed. Grossly overpowered weapon keeping an entire class up).
2. Knights (shields need a bit of a nerf).
3. Archers (Pretty much perfectly balanced).
4. Man-at-Arms (in my opinion a very badly designed class. Dodge is not really used to avoid attacks, it's used to dodge forward and facehug. Often seems quite dependent on luck).

[Bullet1968]

ind op sewer class. taking advantage of overpowered weapons with longest range weapons
domination death kill ratio simply because of range,stab,charging constantly in to players backs? esp groups. anyone with over 100 hours would relise just how uniquely overpowered this
class is as you say Bloodhead. The Entire Class is full of players taking these advantages esp
clan players on pubbs , seemingly demigod like.out of 40 ffa games those op vans won 36
players from 16 slot to 32 slot on platoon server. OP van wins constanly hence so many play them in all modes.

[Snorri Nosebiter]

Originally posted by int | Mithron:

1. Archers: Warbow with broadhead, cudgel.
2. Man at Arms: Falchion, heater shield, oil pots, dane axe, hatchet, broad sword, even Norse sword still, forward dodges.
3. Knights: Warhammer, sword of war, kite shields, flanged mace, falchion.
4. Vanguards: Archer fodder, team supporters, no shields.

Agree with cudgel ('tis a wondrous thing of beauty) , but I prefer the heavy crossbow- then again, I'm a reasonably good shot and don't need the warbow's RoF.
I'd put MAA into the archer fodder category too, as most don't carry shields and the heavy crossbow oneshots them.

Tbh, the only time a shield makes a difference at all to my trying to hit a knight or MAA is if I'm aiming at them from their left- if they crawl straight towards me, it just makes it incredibly easy to shoot them in the feet or legs.

Originally posted by gitt:

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[Snorri Nosebiter]

There is no 'best' class- it's entirely situational, and also has a lot to do with player skill.

An archer who spends a lot of time on duel servers will beat a knight, van or MAA who never visits them in a one-on-one every time, barring bad luck.

A van who frequents the same servers will not be the spam machine many of us are used to and wouldn't deserve to be placed fourth.

There are plenty of terrible knights out there who just swing like maniacs and get a death (or teamkill) for every kill, and wouldn't deserve to be placed first on the OP's list.

Originally posted by APackOfMexicans:

no one respects archers...

Until one saves your arse.

[Bullet1968]

Mr Eyl has a good point
My list place for Vanguard is amended to 5th place Below the sewer hehe.
come and collect your punctuation , you will be welcomed and punctuated correctly ;)

[Barthalonious Monk]

The vanguard is the best class and can defeat anybody in a 1v1 fight.

[Snorri Nosebiter]

Originally posted by Barthalonious Monk:

The vanguard is the best class and can defeat anybody in a 1v1 fight.

Any class can defeat any other in a 1v1 fight.

There is no 'best'- the archer may not be able to contribute to a teamfight like vans, but a van can't take out 3 or 4 widely spaced enemy archers in a matter of seconds.

Each class has its role.

EDIT: In fact, come looking for me on the Anquer Quare duel server at some point, and we'll put your hypothesis to the test against my archer or MAA. ;)

[Judeo-communism]

The amount of noobs in this thread makes me cringe. 400+ hours here, archers are by far the best class and vanguards are by far the worst class in a 1vs1 scenario and public games. In clan battles things are more balanced, but in public servers vanguards are the worst because of how many archers there are. Man at arms are best 1vs1. Long range weapons mean nothing to anyone who doesn't suck at foot work.

[Bullet1968]

Is that a clan player ? was that some sort of insult ? int | Mithron ? Mr Eyl get him!

[Snorri Nosebiter]

Originally posted by int | Mithron:

400+ hours here

Sweet zombie Jesus.

Originally posted by int | Mithron:

archers are by far the best class......... in a 1vs1 scenario.......... Man at arms are best 1vs1.

Which is it? And what edge does an archer have in a duel over an MAA?

Originally posted by int | Mithron:

Long range weapons mean nothing to anyone who doesn't suck at foot work.

Agreed. The amount of archers who stand still to shoot, and the melee players who just charge straight at archers, are infuriating. It's also easier to hit a knight or MAA who's turtling towards you behind a shield than one who attempts to dodge.

On the other hand, really good aim can counter good footwork.

As an aside, I do agree that vanguards are horrifically vulnerable at range, but so are MAAs. The only advantage an unaware MAA may have over an unaware van is if you happen to be shooting at him from his left. This obviously doesn't apply to the majority of MAAs, who simply run around shieldless thanks to parrying being far more effective than shield blocking.

[Snorri Nosebiter]

Originally posted by int | Mithron:

The amount of noobs in this thread makes me cringe.

Please elaborate.... vague ad hominems are a terrible form of argument.

And out of curiosity, why do you prefer the warbow over the heavy crossbow? I realise they're totally different, but I'm a heavy crossbow guy and I like to know how other archers think.

[Judeo-communism]

Archers are okay at 1vs1, but they're not as good as MaA. Warbow+Cudgel is just that OP. In clan battles, it's basically archer vs archer until whichever team gets the first kill, unless you're playing heavy agressive where you rush with oil pots. MaAs have access to shields AND dodging AND are the second fastest class in the game: if you aren't using heater shield as MaA, you're playing it wrong. They don't have trouble against archers. They may get oneshotted, but they're far harder to hit than anyone else. Honestly, warbow with broadhead and heavy crossbow are both used equally as often in clan battles. In pubstomping, I would recommend the warbow simply because you can get more shots off per minute which means more kills per minute which is the point of pubstomping.