Game developers made a Common mistake with the Bows.

[Cpt. Blyatman]

If i remember correctly, the smallest bow, which looks to me like a Composite bow, SHOULD BE the more Powerfull bow that Shoots Faster and further.
NOT the longbow.
Im no archery expert,but logic begets that the Composite Bow has more Energy packed in its shorter, and more elastic Limbs, that give out More force to the arrow.

English Longbow. Bigger. Better!.
not.
The Huns could shoot so fast and penetrate so much more deeper with the composite Bow simply becouse of its compact size, and less power needed similar to that of a Crossbow. . .. I dont know...

My pouint, its really sad that the short bow is so weak :c

[Talomose]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr Eyl:

Backed bows are still self bows- even later backed longbows were made of a single material- yew. The backing was simply the more flexible part of the tree.

Horn tips were added as they were less resistant to wear and weathering than leaving the tips as bare wood. They'd do nothing for the power of the bow.

I didn't make a very good attempt at tying that in with the rest of my comment. It was more to say that it wasn't necessarily out of the question that the English might have had some experience creating different types of bows.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr Eyl:

I had no idea that the Burgundians used composite recurves- I thought the Hungarians were unique in Europe in that respect.
What were the materials?

Yew and sinew were all I could ever find when they were described.

[lonkosz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sir Talomose:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr Eyl:

Backed bows are still self bows- even later backed longbows were made of a single material- yew. The backing was simply the more flexible part of the tree.

Horn tips were added as they were less resistant to wear and weathering than leaving the tips as bare wood. They'd do nothing for the power of the bow.

I didn't make a very good attempt at tying that in with the rest of my comment. It was more to say that it wasn't necessarily out of the question that the English might have had some experience creating different types of bows.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr Eyl:

I had no idea that the Burgundians used composite recurves- I thought the Hungarians were unique in Europe in that respect.
What were the materials?

Yew and sinew were all I could ever find when they were described.

Vikings/Norseman used recurves as well. Different materia and methods of making them, but the design is the same. The Hungarian recurves are the "original" Asian types, and made from multiple type of wood and bones (horns), soaked in different liquids (mud and even manure) for weeks, then bent and dried, then soaked again... it takes months to make an original one, and it requires a lot of effort to maintain the elasticity. Also costs a fortune by current Hungarian standards (1000 USD aprox), so the most one you see are made of carbon fiber for much less money. You are lucky if the string is at least horsehair. There is only 1-2 artisans still making the original ones. Weird how 1000 years ago they just tucked these in the saddle.

By popular consensus the best bow in the world is the Mondol recurve. The original ones have around 60 lbs of drawforce, which would puncture plate armor like a needle sheet of paper.

[Googledebunker]

Just popped in to say I am loving this thread. Very nice to see a mature conversation.

a longbow is more "forgiving" than a shortbow, and is considered to be more "accurate"; the accuracy comes primarily from the arrow and the archer's skill, not the bow. (Old Archer's saying: "Any stick can be a bow, but a poorly-made arrow is just another stick.")

Both bows are capable of shooting an arrow the same distance, depending on the actual design of the bow and the materials used to make the bow. The main difference between the two types of bow is the longbow provides a smaller angle from arrow to string, when the bowstring is pulled back to full-draw.

This greatly reduces the amount of what is called "string pinch", which makes it easier on the fingers of the string-hand, which is the hand used to pull back the bowstring.

I prefer a recurve longbow over the few compounds, and composite shortbows I have fired, but its always fun to try out more!

[Bullet1968]

This thread was dug up from April last year ? Running up to players in combat with zest
and eagerness to shoot them in the back with arrows is unworthy of any discussion about
maturity. You are trolls on and off the battle fields tbh and are looked on as the pig dung
of Chivalry by the majority of Players in this game :)

[lonkosz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cotton Hill:

Just popped in to say I am loving this thread. Very nice to see a mature conversation.

a longbow is more "forgiving" than a shortbow, and is considered to be more "accurate"; the accuracy comes primarily from the arrow and the archer's skill, not the bow. (Old Archer's saying: "Any stick can be a bow, but a poorly-made arrow is just another stick.")

Both bows are capable of shooting an arrow the same distance, depending on the actual design of the bow and the materials used to make the bow. The main difference between the two types of bow is the longbow provides a smaller angle from arrow to string, when the bowstring is pulled back to full-draw.

This greatly reduces the amount of what is called "string pinch", which makes it easier on the fingers of the string-hand, which is the hand used to pull back the bowstring.

I prefer a recurve longbow over the few compounds, and composite shortbows I have fired, but its always fun to try out more!

So you say it's easier to be accurate with a longbow?

[Snorri Nosebiter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lonkosz:

So you say it's easier to be accurate with a longbow?

No, he's saying a competent longbow archer is more accurate. It takes a lot more training and practice to become skilled with a longbow.

[Deadpan Serious]

the composite recurve bows of the Mongols had more power than a regular bow, that's for sure. while not being any less wieldy.
the longbow, however, certainly had more power than the Mongol bow. however, firing the longbow required a lot of power and training, and even the bones in your limbs might somewhat deform.
longbow is only for highly trained specialists. recurve Mongol bow is simple to use and still quite powerful.

[ᛗᚨᛖᛋᛏᚱᛟ]

Well, no. The only thing the curve does is making a bow smaller. You basically have the same length, power and energy storage, but thanks to the curve in a smaller version which made the bow very usefull on the back of a horse. With that said, it takes extreme archer skills to be accurate while riding a horse.
A more powerful bow means nothing. There is no such thing, cause a bow needs to be balanced to its user. If you can not draw the bow to its max, you will not use it effectively.

[Deadpan Serious]

smaller compared to how much power you want to store, yes. but most bows were small, and primarily used for hunting, anyway. i don't think the recurve bow was smaller than normal. just small for a bow with significant power.
and what a recurve reflex bow does is it multiplies the power you put in it with your arm strength. so yes, a recurve reflex bow would deliver more power than a non-recurve non-reflex bow when used by the same person.
without recurve or reflex, you're right, the only thing the 'power' of a bow does is maximise how much power it can store, and any human strength above that would no longer help.
but the recurve and reflex give the bow an effect similar to a pulley or lever. a normal bow all you do is stretch the string and compress the wood, which stores energy, which is released to launch the missile. the further back you pull, the more resistance your arm will feel, until you run out of strength. however, the propulsion is delivered by the energy stored all through your pulling the string back - not just by the resistance at maximum pull.
what the recurve does is that in the earlier part of puling back the string, which normally wouldn't require much strength, has more resistance, because in this phase you are contracting the recurve. so when you reach maximum pull, there's more energy stored.
additionally, such bows are also reflex. which brings the wood closer to the string when not pulled back, which means the propulsion the string provides to the arrow on release will last longer, because there's a longer distance to reach, you know, a state of not being pulled back.

[Adinbei]

All bows are created equal, love them, cherish them, for they are the greatest of weapons.

[★ƤØŦĆ★ Kolar]

Why did you necro this thread lonkosz?

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lonkosz: