About this game and why noobs are right

[STUG [TORO]]

First let me say i am level 39 , i have defeated alot of lvl 50 and 60 people in one on one combat with melee weapons... i am not a noob. i never have a K/D ratio that is lower than 1.0 and in almost every game i have a K/D 2.0.


1. UNBLOCKABLE MOVES

I have fought against people that have moves that your block won't register no matter what you do, i even asked these players if those moves can be blocked and they said they cannot be blocked.

2 AUTISTIC MOVES THAT HAVE MISSING FRAMES

first i have to say i block these with high succes rate .. maybe 85 % or 90 %, i even can block the overhand while they are looking down or the 180 instant animation overhand with 2 handers without any problem.

The problem with this is that you cannot have lag otherwise they are unblockable , your block in most cases will not register them. Usually some people with ♥♥♥♥ pings or just random lag spikes render the game laggy which makes these '' autistic spinning moves with missing frames '' impossible to block.

it takes a minute to boot a player and in that minute a lag spike makes all the difference with ''instant hits no animation moves ''. i have no problem blocking normal attacks with lag.. just these exploits or stupid moves.

a sidenote i do not use these moves and never will .. i purely defeat high level players by thinking ahead and making use of the enviroment.

I KNOW these exploits can be regarded as skill, i have no trouble blocking them .. im just saying that some of them are complete utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that negatively impact the game for most people especially newcomers.

3. IMBALANCED TEAMS

most high level people bunch up on the masons.. leaves the agatha with lower levels.. usually i call out those high players on ''being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that do not like challenges''.. usually one of them switch teams but the majority of high level players keep licking peanut butter of eachothers balls in the mason team.

this just makes the game unattractive for most noobs.. i try to help the noobs by playing in their team but i am often the only level 39 along with level 20 or lower leveled people/noobs in agatha against 40 + level masons. dont get me wrong here i do well .. i usually have a K/D ratio of 2.0 every game , it just makes the game unattractive for new people.

4. HITS OR BLOCKS THAT WON'T REGISTER

there is no lag... sometimes your hit or block just won't register.. it's stupid and i have lost matches against level 50+ people that i should have beaten if it weren't for this stupid glitch. it often happens with the brandistock more compared to other weapons.

5. BAD MAP DESIGN IN CORRELATION WITH PHYSICS

if you stand on a wooden plank or ledge , or something that is 1 cm high your block won't register if you stand on the edge of that object. on stairs you sometimes have to look and block in bizarre camera positions. also when you stand on a stairs your reach will change.. sometimes to bizarre measures that are completely unrealistic. for example i once got hit by a flail that suddenly had the reach of spear just because he was standing on the stairs ( LOL).

objects seem to have invisible walls around them which can trap you or restrict your movement.. it's really silly... but i have to admit i use this to my advantage to defeat people. nevertheless it doesn't make sense.

6. ABSURD HITBOX.

when a 2 hander swing is going and it reaches the end of its swing... you are standing next to your opponent and he is not hitting you... the animation long stopped far in front of you and the blade of the sword never touched you and you still get hit....

also when someone is doing a overhand with short reach weapons ( and sometimes long ) and you stand behind them ( not close .. just normal or further away ) you get hit.

sometimes you are completely out of reach and you still get hit which is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. this is especially true for specific weapons and happens often with zweihander and sometimes brandistock.

7. MISSING FRAMES THAT REGISTER AS HITS.

the animation starts and it's not even close near you and you get hit before the sword even moves your way. this is not slow dragging .. hell slow dragging is blockable. i even met people with spear that pulled their spear back before thrusting, and when they drew their spear back i already get hit... it's just getting hit before anitmation completes or before collision detection register a real collision.

9. UTTERLY RIDICILIOUS PHYSICS

Slow dragging.. i have no problem with people slow dragging it's just stupid that a slow dragged attack with lower velocity and lower acceleration has the same damage potential as a sword moving with high velocity and high acceleration..

lets face it these are ♥♥♥♥ poor physics... its like shooting a bullet with 10 m/s instead of 150 m/s and getting the same damage potential... it are childish 4th grade physics , this is the level of rational physcis which a child posesses when he comes out of the birthcanal.

other games get ♥♥♥♥ and lower grades for bad physics but somehow this game does not... its because you have a radical group of high level players that demand slow dragging to have the same dmg potential because thats how they rock .. thats how they win... most people i speak to often stop playing this game because of these physics.

slow dragging should have reduced damage potential... PERIOD

10. WEIRD WEAPON MECHANICS

Blocking a warhammer with a dagger while using the same amount of stamina like blocking with a 2 handed sword... i have no problem with this i just think its a stupid game mechanic that should be changed, its omnimoron to think that you can block a warhammer with a small dagger.


11. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CPU DEMANDS ..

i can run every game even the newest ones on 40 to 60 FPS.. i run war thunder with everthing maxed out on 35 or 40 FPS ( with video card quality on max ) even in a full server with too many artillery strikes.. it rarely drops below 35 ( rarely like almost never ) . i run red orchestra on a mimimum of 80 FPS with everything maxed out... it never drops below 80 FPS.

i cannot run this game on high FPS no matter what i do.. even if i put everything on lowest settings i still get 30 fps average with drops to 20 FPS on most maps

now don't get me wrong i still block moves and i still own people despite this... i just think its ridiciliously bad programming, compared to newer games out there that run on direct X 11 , this game looks ♥♥♥♥ compared those DX 11 games maxed out... it should run +60 FPS at least.

for crying out loud i can play metro and metro last light and far cry with 40 FPS where it rarely drops below 30 with everything maxed out.

same happened with ARMA 2 where people complaining about having alienware desktops or high end PCs with I7 CPU and newest video cards in SLI and crossfire and still getting 20 - 30 FPS... no one knows why.


12. USELESS PATCHING AND DLC

They have done almost nothing to fix everything that is written above... everytime i download a patch of 200 mb .. i usually get at least a 1.2 GB patch once every month ( or 2 ) for f*cking what ? i have never seen a game that had so much patching where nothing really significant was fixed.

13. BEING CALLED A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ OR FEINTER

yep ... most high level people cannot stand it when they are getting owned by a lower level player in one on one combat.. more than 60 % calls me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. the equal amount calls me a brandifeinter... why this is funny ? i defeat all their feint attacks , and block all their autistic glitchy swings and they get mercilessly slain by my brandistock.. even guys that i even didn't killed with feint attacks called me a brandifeinter ( LOL ) .. and often these are all high level people that bunch up in the mason gaybar.

when i get defeated proper i will admit it and try to learn from it and will not rest untill i have defeated the other player ... most other people especially higher leveled always complain and called you a feinter or whatever.. it says alot about this community and the type of people that play this game.

VERDICT..

First of all.. this game is fun... i don't agree with what the game says or the mechanics but i still have fun with it.

but cmon we all have to admit despite the fact that it is fun, this is a pispoor game regarding quality and programming. the physics are a joke , the collision detection is unreliable, people are exploiting gameplay and glitches ( i have seen the weirdest hacks ), its not user friendly at all for new players.

this is a mediocre game at best... 7.0 out of 10 or 6.5

[Nikita]

I still love how people come with physics arguements while it has little to do with anything xd.

[Scrunch]

引用自 Felis Adorabilis™：

I still love how people come with physics arguements while it has little to do with anything xd.

TBH, physics should be accurately represented in a game that spends so much time making melee combat realistic. Not saying this game is uber realism, but it has a much better fighting system than most games, and saying physics don't matter just makes you look bad.

[Nikita]

引用自 MyrkrFenrir：

引用自 Felis Adorabilis™：

I still love how people come with physics arguements while it has little to do with anything xd.

TBH, physics should be accurately represented in a game that spends so much time making melee combat realistic. Not saying this game is uber realism, but it has a much better fighting system than most games, and saying physics don't matter just makes you look bad.

Before people come with physics arguement, they need to learn how sword fighting works. It seems like people just got through their finals of physics and think it applies to everything without even looking it from the right perspective :P.

[Scrunch]

引用自 Felis Adorabilis™：

引用自 MyrkrFenrir：

TBH, physics should be accurately represented in a game that spends so much time making melee combat realistic. Not saying this game is uber realism, but it has a much better fighting system than most games, and saying physics don't matter just makes you look bad.

Before people come with physics arguement, they need to learn how sword fighting works. It seems like people just got through their finals of physics and think it applies to everything without even looking it from the right perspective :P.

Explain what the right perspective is, because I own five swords and know how the weight of them affects the way you use them, as well as how swinging it faster and harder works.

[Nikita]

引用自 MyrkrFenrir：

引用自 Felis Adorabilis™：

Before people come with physics arguement, they need to learn how sword fighting works. It seems like people just got through their finals of physics and think it applies to everything without even looking it from the right perspective :P.

Explain what the right perspective is, because I own five swords and know how the weight of them affects the way you use them, as well as how swinging it faster and harder works.

Weight isn't something he brings to the arguement, he was talking about dragging. I will say it better just so everyone will understand. "I still love how people come with physics arguements while it has little to do with anything xd." (the way they are representing it)

[STUG [TORO]]

i represented it well... weight doesn't even matter at this point because the same weapon with same weight cannot as much damage on lower velocity compared to higher velocity. i am not comparing a warhammer with a dagger i am talking about a zweihander on low velocity vs a zweinhander on high velocity.

yes .. i would prefer a ultra realistic game but i am not expecting it.

like i said i still have fun with it.. i think it's just silly that a sword moving at tennisball speed does the same damage as a sword moving on bullet speed. touching you with my hand shouldnt do the same damage like punching you.

Physics are important in games... shooters always get ♥♥♥♥ for having bad physics ? why does this game doesn't get ♥♥♥♥ ? its not honest and it's the reason why they never fix it with a patch.. i mean why would they fix something that most people aren't complaining about.

Im not taking this game seriously and i have written my post in a few minutes, i just want to see the point fixed so it enriches the community by making it more player friendly for newcomers. i also dont think it's not honest to not adress certain issues just because it gets you high K/D ratios.

i don't care about owning everyone 1 vs 1 but i play this game just because i like challanges... i think newcomers have 0 % chance killing high levels players in this game. i would like more challenge and new people being more of a threat to high skilled players , and that can be done by adressing and fixing the issues i stated before.

[Nikita]

Your issue is you think that bullets and swords are the same, that's all I will say about it tbh. Also remember it stays a game, not any game in the world can be ultra realistic. Neither would that be fun at all. So if you want ultra realism I will advise you to do some sword fighting as hobby it's great fun :P.

[STUG [TORO]]

i have done sword fighting..

i said i never expect it to be ultra realistic tho i would like the challange .. if you read the context i wrote you should have seen i am taking this game with a grain of salt and still have fun with.

i also said tennisball speed...SPEED...

the object with the same weight moving at 10mph shouldn't do as much damage as a object with the same weight as 100 mph.

either please read to learn english and stop justifying yourself OR either steam needs to fix the damn errors that show up when posting messages im getting the idea only half the message show up .

[Xylvion]

If I have a K/D below 5 it's a bad game, your argument is invalid. I usually keep a 10-20K/D.
The "missing frames" problem depends on your GFX card and ping most likely.
About you blocking and it not registering is most likely cause you didn't block in the right direction or too early. Footdrags can look like regular attacks, most people fall for them.
Nice FPS mate, that surely wouldn't hinder your performance in the game right?
Parrying with weapons is basically deflecting the opponents weapons, if you'd try to block say the maul with a longsword your hands would break, in fact pushing it away barehanded would probably be the easiest way to counter it.
Oh and the hitbox is your body, it's nothing absurd with that, the problem is that you hold the weapons differently on your first person screen compared to how they're actually held in 3rd.

[DDRMANIAC007]

引用自 Xylvion：

If I have a K/D below 5 it's a bad game, your argument is invalid. I usually keep a 10-20K/D.
The "missing frames" problem depends on your GFX card and ping most likely.
About you blocking and it not registering is most likely cause you didn't block in the right direction or too early. Footdrags can look like regular attacks, most people fall for them.
Nice FPS mate, that surely wouldn't hinder your performance in the game right?
Parrying with weapons is basically deflecting the opponents weapons, if you'd try to block say the maul with a longsword your hands would break, in fact pushing it away barehanded would probably be the easiest way to counter it.
Oh and the hitbox is your body, it's nothing absurd with that, the problem is that you hold the weapons differently on your first person screen compared to how they're actually held in 3rd.

Is that with facing competent teams?





This game wasn't meant to be realistic. It was designed to have more video gamey mechanics in it.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

KD vastly depends on what tactics you use, if you are in the attackers or defenders and who else is on the server. If you are the attackers and constantly play the objective don't expect a high KD. You could still end up with the most kills but your deaths won't be far behind. Not playing the objective will give you are higher KD as you generally aren't involved in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that involve team mates, archers and many many indiscriminate LMBs. Picking your fights. The ones not defending the objective will generally be lower rank as well. At least that's what I've noticed.
Defending and playing Yarnu tactics (which involves running away and letting someone else on your team get killed) is probably the easiest way of getting a high KD provided you don't get shot in the back or a rouge maul doesn't cave your head in.

If you get a full 32 player server and the person with the lowest rank is rank 45 then pretty much no one gets a KD above 2.0. No where close to 5.0 lol. But I don't think that happens in regions with a larger community.

[STUG [TORO]]

i got a upgraded geforce GTX 750 TI variant which is also manually overclocked ( extra cooling system ) ...i can play arma 3 without a problem. please explain to me why i get low fps on that system when playing chivalry... don't tell me that chivalry is more draining than arma 3.

if i play this game on another PC with stable FPS i have the same gameplay issues.. with good FPS i encounter the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. like i said before i don't have a problem with low FPS .. i still block the proper way. footdrags is something you fall for when you are level 15 im way past that. i know how to block dude like i said before im able to block al these attacks , it ain't a problem.

i have encountered a few guys doing exploits that were unblockable, in my opinion thats utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.. even 60 + level players in my team couldn't block that ♥♥♥♥.

also your kill death ratio is complete utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ .. come and play with me in 45 + and 50 + level lobbies , there is not way you get that ratio in there especially when you face 3 level 60 players at the same time.

you completely are oblivious to hitbox bugs

[Nikita]

My laptop runs this game fine everything maxed out and I have 62 fps (never unlocked it), only with fire effects it drops to like 50-55 xd (sometimes rare on belmez like 40-45).

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Depends on the map. The first and second stage of kings garden for me is just pure awful. I get 60-90 in most maps then kings garden comes around and its skulking in the low 20s.

[Glassfan •҉]

Stug,

you have put together a long list here-- lots to consider. Im curious about a couple of points:

"I have fought against people that have moves that your block won't register no matter what you do, i even asked these players if those moves can be blocked and they said they cannot be blocked."

What moves are you talking about here? I ask out of genuine curiosity.

"AUTISTIC MOVES THAT HAVE MISSING FRAMES"

Now what does this really mean? I know autistic has become a popular buzz word, but what are you saying? Austic = what exactly?

If you mean "confusing, hard to block, challenging" why not just say it?
Latency issues make it difficult with any moves -- the effect of high ping has been well covered in these forums with detailed information on what is happening client side versus server side.

Your points about proper physics I can understand. this game is limited by the code base that was established at launch. Its definitely not the most polished of games. But with that in mind, we all have suspended our disbelief to enjoy the game-- right? Seems to me like a necessary step to enjoy any PC game.

" its omnimoron to think that you can block a warhammer with a small dagger."

I get it. But lets say we implement more realism. Most small weapons would be utterly useless and rendered obsolete. Who would ever pick a dagger, a short sword,etc -- when up against the big heavy weapons? Do you want to see only the largest and strongest weapons used exclusively?

"BEING CALLED A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ OR FEINTER"

Ive been there. Went through a period of maining the Brandi. I also use feints. People are going to complain when they die. It happens all the time. Take the higher road-- keep playing the playstyle that you like, and kill them. Worst that can happen is that you get votekicked. Go to another server and keep enjoying your Chiv.

So I think you have some legitimate points on your frustrations of the game. Its definitely not perfect: there exists many bugs, the community can be frustrating, sometimes the gameplay doesnt match up to what we expect from the real world.