Tower Shield vs Kite Shield

[Zιggylata]

Are there speed differences? Recovery differences? I know the Tower Shield has a different hitbox and uses less stamina on block, but what else?

Originally posted by Ziggylata:

As said before, Kite protects less from stamina damage and Tower protects more from stamina damage.
The Kite hitbox is a different size than the Tower hitbox, im not sure if the Kite's hitbox matches the shape of the shield but its definitely thinner.
The shields do not change movement speed as said before.
The Tower uses more stamina to hold up if you keep holding it up (which you shouldnt be doing anyway so it doesnt matter).
The larger the shield, the faster it raises and lowers. I tested it with the Kite and Tower and could barely tell the difference, I had a suspicion that the kite was faster but it was too hard to tell. When I had my friend go man at arms with the buckler, it was very apparant that raise and lower speed differences do exist and did confirm my suspicions. To put it simply, the tower raises and lowers slower. I also suspect that the recovery (or recoil) from a hit is longer with a tower shield but this is too hard to test.

[FORCE]

Well it makes your overall movement slower for starters

[Zιggylata]

Originally posted by FORCE:

Well it makes your overall movement slower for starters

I dont think thats true.

[JizzWizard]

Use the tower against archers nothing else. that being said I don't think it makes your movements slower or swings or anything like that. It is the weapon itself that does that.

[Zιggylata]

Originally posted by BrotherKnight:

Use the tower against archers nothing else. that being said I don't think it makes your movements slower or swings or anything like that. It is the weapon itself that does that.

Im a pretty solid player and ive got about 800 hours total or so, probably a bit more now. I just dont know the differences between shields much, I always use the Kite shield because I play in first person and its just easier to see what happening with it, that being said from a paper perspective, the tower shield is better in every way?

[icky♣floyd]

Originally posted by Zιggylata:

Originally posted by BrotherKnight:

Use the tower against archers nothing else. that being said I don't think it makes your movements slower or swings or anything like that. It is the weapon itself that does that.

Im a pretty solid player and ive got about 800 hours total or so, probably a bit more now. I just dont know the differences between shields much, I always use the Kite shield because I play in first person and its just easier to see what happening with it, that being said from a paper perspective, the tower shield is better in every way?

I believe tower is better except for blocking most ur view like u said. U were tearing me up w/kite the other night. I’m pretty good at getting around most shields, I’d be happy to duel, I love to bang w/better players.

[Kyros]

Originally posted by Zιggylata:

Originally posted by FORCE:

Well it makes your overall movement slower for starters

I dont think thats true.

I believe it's wrong indeed, played knight and never felt a inch of difference in walk/sprint speeds or it's extremely low to be noticeable. Either way, tower shield is mostly used against archers so you can advance more safely but it's not 100% arrow-proof. Got myself nice headshots and "footshot" if you time and aim correctly.

Kiteshield is mostly used for 1h users but in all the time I played in Chiv, I found the Tower Shield better in battle. It's just that Kite shield doesn't block your view when you raise it.

[Vindel(F|C)]

I’m all about that kite shield

[Zιggylata]

Originally posted by Zehart:

Tower shield is better vs ranged.
Kite shield is better in melee. (consumes less stamina when block melee hits, faster blocking, faster recovery after blocking)
So, if you use shields only to block projectiles, then use tower shield, otherwise...

Same works for all shields in game.
Smaller shields are better in melee, bigger shields are better vs ranged.

This is incorrect as well, the tower shield consumes less stamina on block for sure, its everything else I dont know.

[Gayboy Berserker]

Just checked the datasheet.
Shield stamina cost scales exactly as you think. Small = faster dizzy (duh).

However, I see nothing on the page to indicate they change movespeed at all.
Even for big weapons, both kite/tower seem to take 6-7 before dizzy. The difference really seems to come down to size. I've heard that both kite and tower (tower moreso) add to your hitbox while on your back, but this is anecdotal, I've not done any focused observation.
I personally have no preference, as I think shields have value in the "mind-game", and I see that value as a "payback" for technically gimping my defense on paper (speedwise).

Shields have an oft-forgotten use as a feinting tool. One can "pop" them up with a momentary RMB and flinch the enemy. Kite may be better or worse because of its faster (feeling) raise and lower (untested on my part). Tower, however, may be better for both shield and regular feinting because of its larger visual, both for "effect" and to obscure your weapon.

Shields often also engender a tendency for your enemy to heavykick, fishing for that sweet prize of shield stagger. you can use this to your advantage (with daring gambles as they attempt to kick) regardless of shield. That said, I have personally observed that players more often attempt heavykicks on tower users, either because of the increased prominence, or from their more "nooby" implication. This is all, of course, anecdotal, so take it as you will.

Also, this is just to cover bases, but shields don't seem to increase your attack speed while one-handing either. I feel like they used to, in Chivalry antiquity, but they clearly do not do so now.
Just wanted to clear up for the sake of it, anyways.


So yeah. Use whatever.


(Don't use the glitch to use throwing axes in duel though. I'll tell mom).

[Zιggylata]

Originally posted by Gayboy Berserker:

Just checked the datasheet.
Shield stamina cost scales exactly as you think. Small = faster dizzy (duh).

However, I see nothing on the page to indicate they change movespeed at all.
Even for big weapons, both kite/tower seem to take 6-7 before dizzy. The difference really seems to come down to size. I've heard that both kite and tower (tower moreso) add to your hitbox while on your back, but this is anecdotal, I've not done any focused observation.
I personally have no preference, as I think shields have value in the "mind-game", and I see that value as a "payback" for technically gimping my defense on paper (speedwise).

Shields have an oft-forgotten use as a feinting tool. One can "pop" them up with a momentary RMB and flinch the enemy. Kite may be better or worse because of its faster (feeling) raise and lower (untested on my part). Tower, however, may be better for both shield and regular feinting because of its larger visual, both for "effect" and to obscure your weapon.

Shields often also engender a tendency for your enemy to heavykick, fishing for that sweet prize of shield stagger. you can use this to your advantage (with daring gambles as they attempt to kick) regardless of shield. That said, I have personally observed that players more often attempt heavykicks on tower users, either because of the increased prominence, or from their more "nooby" implication. This is all, of course, anecdotal, so take it as you will.

Also, this is just to cover bases, but shields don't seem to increase your attack speed while one-handing either. I feel like they used to, in Chivalry antiquity, but they clearly do not do so now.
Just wanted to clear up for the sake of it, anyways.


So yeah. Use whatever.


(Don't use the glitch to use throwing axes in duel though. I'll tell mom).

Ive done mild testing with the kite and tower shield with a friend of mine yesterday.

As said before, Kite protects less from stamina damage and Tower protects more from stamina damage.
The Kite hitbox is a different size than the Tower hitbox, im not sure if the Kite's hitbox matches the shape of the shield but its definitely thinner.
The shields do not change movement speed as said before.
The Tower uses more stamina to hold up if you keep holding it up (which you shouldnt be doing anyway so it doesnt matter).
The larger the shield, the faster it raises and lowers. I tested it with the Kite and Tower and could barely tell the difference, I had a suspicion that the kite was faster but it was too hard to tell. When I had my friend go man at arms with the buckler, it was very apparant that raise and lower speed differences do exist and did confirm my suspicions. To put it simply, the tower raises and lowers slower. I also suspect that the recovery (or recoil) from a hit is longer with a tower shield but this is too hard to test.

To add to what you were saying, yes, shields on your back do extend your melee hitbox and if you dont plan on using your shield and archers arent a problem, you shouldnt have it equipped.

[FORCE]

Well in any case a shield will lower your attack speed (opposed to none). I mostly use a shield to keep on my back vs ranged. There would be no reason for me to not use a Tower shield opposed to a Kite other than movement/attack speed right?

[Zιggylata]

Originally posted by FORCE:

Well in any case a shield will lower your attack speed (opposed to none). I mostly use a shield to keep on my back vs ranged. There would be no reason for me to not use a Tower shield opposed to a Kite other than movement/attack speed right?

There is no movement speed difference in shields. The tower shields disadvantages are lack of sight and raise/lower speed.

[FORCE]

I'm only comparing no shield with a shield. I haven't done (or seen) any testing on speed with kite vs tower.