Case 2 in the first game logic is really weak. [spoilers]

[Invader]

You expected a child to move the body? He 14 and the victim 35 big man....
You expected a child to use a high caliber gun which everyone says it had to be someone of law enforcement?
Each Kick back from that gun would create too much of an opening. If it was planned murder (which they establish) then using that gun wouldn't make sense.
Gavin sets up the trap that Machi can see but... no once calls himself the fact he been saying he's blind throughout the court? Until it looks bad for his case.

I could go on but this entire trial is a huge mess.

[Maya-Neko]

Play through the whole first game and you might understand, why this is a huge mess in the first place. There's actually a reason behind it.

[Invader]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

Play through the whole first game and you might understand, why this is a huge mess in the first place. There's actually a reason behind it.

I have, it's been years since I've replayed on the 3ds and noticing the holes and noticing Apollo argument is super weak. lmao.

[Maya-Neko]

I was just making sure that i won't spoiler you.

The "plot holes" seem to be made on purpose to really highlight the broken state this court system is in right now. They appear to be quite strange when you play the case without the context of the whole game, but it definitely makes sense to highlight the problems with the system as a whole

Prosecuters never really have that much time to prosecute someone, so they usually default to the first sequence of actions that makes the enough sense to build a case around. Machi was at that time the only possible person to be prosecuted in the eye of the prosecution, so that's what the case became all about. And remember, that even complicated cases usually only take 2 days (sometimes even only 1, especially when Phoenix/Apollo aren't the defence lawyers^^) with the evening before the first day being the only day for the investigation (like Gavin had to build the whole case upon like 5 hours of investigations at this point)

And furthermore due to Phoenix forging evidence (at least in the eye of the public) it became standard to default back to a guilty-verdict if the defence lawyer wasn't able to prove that the defendant wasn't guilty, so a "guilty until proven not guilty". That's the dark ages Phoenix tries to end with Apollos help.

That said, Apollo needs the case to drag on, because it wasn't enough to just claim that it was impossible, but he also needed to find the actual culprit to prevent the court to simply default back to Machi.

And that's why Phoenix wants to test the jury system later on, because judges might follow this "guilty until proven not guilty"-system very strictly, but people from the street can be swayed more easily by opinions and softer evidence.

[Invader]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

I was just making sure that i won't spoiler you.

The "plot holes" seem to be made on purpose to really highlight the broken state this court system is in right now. They appear to be quite strange when you play the case without the context of the whole game, but it definitely makes sense to highlight the problems with the system as a whole

Prosecuters never really have that much time to prosecute someone, so they usually default to the first sequence of actions that makes the enough sense to build a case around. Machi was at that time the only possible person to be prosecuted in the eye of the prosecution, so that's what the case became all about. And remember, that even complicated cases usually only take 2 days (sometimes even only 1, especially when Phoenix/Apollo aren't the defence lawyers^^) with the evening before the first day being the only day for the investigation (like Gavin had to build the whole case upon like 5 hours of investigations at this point)

And furthermore due to Phoenix forging evidence (at least in the eye of the public) it became standard to default back to a guilty-verdict if the defence lawyer wasn't able to prove that the defendant wasn't guilty, so a "guilty until proven not guilty". That's the dark ages Phoenix tries to end with Apollos help.

That said, Apollo needs the case to drag on, because it wasn't enough to just claim that it was impossible, but he also needed to find the actual culprit to prevent the court to simply default back to Machi.

And that's why Phoenix wants to test the jury system later on, because judges might follow this "guilty until proven not guilty"-system very strictly, but people from the street can be swayed more easily by opinions and softer evidence.

What's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is that the whole jury system idea...never gotten implement besides the great ace attorney. They... I feel like they didn't do it well. It just made cases drag out longer.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by Invader:

What's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is that the whole jury system idea...never gotten implement besides the great ace attorney. They... I feel like they didn't do it well. It just made cases drag out longer.

The idea of a jury itself is fine imo, but the investigation part of the last trial is just horribly implemented, so i'm not surprised that they dropped it.

I've yet not played great ace attorney so i can't say anything about that^^

[ÖBB enjoyer]

Its case 3, get it right.

[Trash]

1) It's case 3.

2) BORGINIAN STRENGTH!!!!

[Hotel Security]

Pretty sure that the government of Japan was giving grants to games that addressed their new jury system at the time. I think that's why it ended up in the game.