Did someone explain to Owlcat what Aeldari are?

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Okay, so, it really feels like they looked at a few memes and then decided "Good enough, we got the jist". Yrliet is by FAR the worst written Aeldari I have ever witnessed in any of the games, books or animation. The other Asuryani aren't much better, but she just snipes the cherry off the cake.

Aeldari are supposed to be insanely persuasive. As in - to the point where every character warns you not to trust their honeyed words. Because even the most battle-hardened Banshee is able to play the role of a needy, horny space-elf that "was ostracized for dreaming of having a hunk of raw, human power taking care of... all of her needs [blushes and turns away full of shame], if only the Rogue Trade didn't see her as an ugly, abominable Xenos [looks back with big deer eyes full of hope]"

They have literally spent millions of years perfecting the craft of diplomacy, persuasion and seduction. Yes, she would think the same thing Yrliet does, but nobody would see through her facade.

Yrliet? "Dumb Mon'keigh, why Mon'keigh dumb? Omg, can Mon'keigh do anything right? Liek, omg, Mon'keigh, stop letting your feelings control you, Mon'keigh so bad at everything, omg" - B!tch, you're supposed to be an infiltrator and you need my help, but every word coming out of your mouth makes me want to jettison you and use your spirit stone as an ornamental butt plug, pipe the ♥♥♥♥ down.

Not only that - she has no grace or elegance in her behaviour. It's rash, emotional and direct. No subterfuge (aside from the hamfisting after Chapter 2), no double-meanings, no nothing. It's a more ♥♥♥♥♥ Sororitas that has 0 respect and constantly insults everything and everyone.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[corisai]

Originally posted by V̴̔̔e̵̒͘1̴͂̿e̴͑̓z̷:

Create ONE chaos god and everyone says you can’t control your emotions…

Originally posted by REhorror:

Worse, the Eldar companion in this game says humans can't control their emotion LOL.

*looking on God-Emperor* I'm sorry, but we actually...

[REhorror]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by V̴̔̔e̵̒͘1̴͂̿e̴͑̓z̷:

Create ONE chaos god and everyone says you can’t control your emotions…

Originally posted by REhorror:

Worse, the Eldar companion in this game says humans can't control their emotion LOL.

*looking on God-Emperor* I'm sorry, but we actually...

If the God-Emperor is indeed a Chaos god, I would say we did a better job than Slaneesh.

Slaneesh destroys the Eldar empire, the Emperor Lighthouse actually keeps humanity together.

[G Willikers]

When he’s described as a god he’s called the god of order, so not a chaos god

[DaveDash]

I've read nearly all the HH books (lots of Eldar interaction especially with Jon Gramatticus), Cain books, Eisenhorn series, and many of the other Warhammer books but I don't think they feature much in the way of Eldar (like Gaunts Ghost). I also own and have read a lot of Codex's.

Yrliet is basically how most Eldar are. She is written correctly. OP is wrong. The lore may have been once upon a time they were masters of diplomacy and such, but they certainly aren't that way now in 40k lore. They're bitter, arrogant, and look down upon mon-keigh like we are semi sentient rats.

The only thing is that her bark doesn't change as her character develops, but that's OK and not the end of the world.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Oh boy, wait until you find what "pretending to be favorable for a long term goal" is. It's gonna be one of those hard life lessons. You can't be "conniving and manipulative" if every word out of your mouth is an insult or a hysterical outburst.

For a species that is as ancient and technologically advanced as the Eldar, the Imperium of Man seem like a bunch of primitive cave people by comparison. Humans can't even traverse the stars without the aid of a Navigator leading them through the Warp. Where as the Eldar invented a network of gateways which allow them to travel between planets on foot.

Even the Emperor himself considered the webway system to be the safer alternative to warp travel, and was trying to build his own network before Magnus accidentally unleashed a tide of daemons upon Terra.

There is nothing the Mon-Kheigh could offer the Eldar, that the Eldar could not acquire on their own. Or at least that's how they would typically view the situation.

[corisai]

Originally posted by G Willikers:

When he’s described as a god he’s called the god of order, so not a chaos god

Yes, but Emperor powers are fueled by Warp. Living Saints get weakened by Pariahs and anti-Warp fields.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by G Willikers:

When he’s described as a god he’s called the god of order, so not a chaos god

When he found out that Lorgar was going around telling people that his 'father' was a god and that they should worship him as such, The Emperor responded by burning the entire city to the ground and forcing his deluded Primarch to kneel among the ashes just to get his point across.

The God Emperor actively despises the very idea of religion, and if he could see what his imperium has turned into over the last 10,000 years, he would succumb to a level of blind rage that would make Khorne back the hell off.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by G Willikers:

When he’s described as a god he’s called the god of order, so not a chaos god

When he found out that Lorgar was going around telling people that his 'father' was a god and that they should worship him as such, The Emperor responded by burning the entire city to the ground and forcing his deluded Primarch to kneel among the ashes just to get his point across.

The God Emperor actively despises the very idea of religion, and if he could see what his imperium has turned into over the last 10,000 years, he would succumb to a level of blind rage that would make Khorne back the hell off.

That's when the Emperor is in his angsty atheist page. Atheist fans still try to bring up this once in a while to reinforce atheism in the setting.

But the Emperor relents a hell lot more when he finds out how real magick and the Chaos Gods are. That's when he knows faith is real.

[G Willikers]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by G Willikers:

When he’s described as a god he’s called the god of order, so not a chaos god

When he found out that Lorgar was going around telling people that his 'father' was a god and that they should worship him as such, The Emperor responded by burning the entire city to the ground and forcing his deluded Primarch to kneel among the ashes just to get his point across.

The God Emperor actively despises the very idea of religion, and if he could see what his imperium has turned into over the last 10,000 years, he would succumb to a level of blind rage that would make Khorne back the hell off.

Things change over 10k years of steady decline

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by REhorror:

But the Emperor relents a hell lot more when he finds out how real magick and the Chaos Gods are. That's when he knows faith is real.

He already knew they were real. That's why he refused to tell anybody about his webway project until it was complete. The Emperor thought that ignorance was the best way to guard against the threats of the immaterium, since Daemons are fueled by the psychic energy of sentient creatures.

His plan was to starve the chaos gods to death, by walling them off from humanity's consciousness. A plan which might have worked, has the emperor's lack of trust in his primarchs not planted the seeds for the chaos gods to begin corrupting them.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by REhorror:

But the Emperor relents a hell lot more when he finds out how real magick and the Chaos Gods are. That's when he knows faith is real.

He already knew they were real. That's why he refused to tell anybody about his webway project until it was complete. The Emperor thought that ignorance was the best way to guard against the threats of the immaterium, since Daemons are fueled by the psychic energy of sentient creatures.

His plan was to starve the chaos gods to death, by walling them off from humanity's consciousness. A plan which might have worked, has the emperor's lack of trust in his primarchs not planted the seeds for the chaos gods to begin corrupting them.

Of course it doesn't work, because humanity/sentient beings can still feed the Chaos Gods without needing to know them exist. Or hell, you can be corrupted by Chaos without knowing Chaos, like Farsight with the Khorne blade.

This is when it's better to point out what they are and warn the Imperial citzen to not do it.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Of course it doesn't work, because humanity/sentient beings can still feed the Chaos Gods without needing to know them exist. Or hell, you can be corrupted by Chaos without knowing Chaos, like Farsight with the Khorne blade.

This is when it's better to point out what they are and warn the Imperial citzen to not do it.

Yes, the Text to Speech Device series actually brings this up in one episode. The God Emperor may be the most powerful Psyker who has ever lived, but he's not all knowing, or infallible.

He did not understand the true nature of what he was trying to fight back against, nor did he understand just how much humanity needed belief in a higher power in order to provide meaning for their existence.

He severely overestimated the strength of his people, and severely underestimated the strength of his enemies. Hence why everything ended up going to ♥♥♥♥.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

For a species that is as ancient and technologically advanced as the Eldar, the Imperium of Man seem like a bunch of primitive cave people by comparison. Humans can't even traverse the stars without the aid of a Navigator leading them through the Warp. Where as the Eldar invented a network of gateways which allow them to travel between planets on foot.

Even the Emperor himself considered the webway system to be the safer alternative to warp travel, and was trying to build his own network before Magnus accidentally unleashed a tide of daemons upon Terra.

There is nothing the Mon-Kheigh could offer the Eldar, that the Eldar could not acquire on their own. Or at least that's how they would typically view the situation.

Last I checked, the Eldar didn't invent the webway. The Old Ones did, and they taught the Eldar how to use it. But it would check out for the Eldar to act like they created it themselves I suppose, pompous pricks..

[REhorror]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Of course it doesn't work, because humanity/sentient beings can still feed the Chaos Gods without needing to know them exist. Or hell, you can be corrupted by Chaos without knowing Chaos, like Farsight with the Khorne blade.

This is when it's better to point out what they are and warn the Imperial citzen to not do it.

Yes, the Text to Speech Device series actually brings this up in one episode. The God Emperor may be the most powerful Psyker who has ever lived, but he's not all knowing, or infallible.

He did not understand the true nature of what he was trying to fight back against, nor did he understand just how much humanity needed belief in a higher power in order to provide meaning for their existence.

He severely overestimated the strength of his people, and severely underestimated the strength of his enemies. Hence why everything ended up going to ♥♥♥♥.

It's an honest mistake.
And it explains why the setting becomes scientific atheism to faith-based with fantasy elements.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Of course it doesn't work, because humanity/sentient beings can still feed the Chaos Gods without needing to know them exist. Or hell, you can be corrupted by Chaos without knowing Chaos, like Farsight with the Khorne blade.

This is when it's better to point out what they are and warn the Imperial citzen to not do it.

Yes, the Text to Speech Device series actually brings this up in one episode. The God Emperor may be the most powerful Psyker who has ever lived, but he's not all knowing, or infallible.

He did not understand the true nature of what he was trying to fight back against, nor did he understand just how much humanity needed belief in a higher power in order to provide meaning for their existence.

He severely overestimated the strength of his people, and severely underestimated the strength of his enemies. Hence why everything ended up going to ♥♥♥♥.

Unfortunately he kept bouncing between "I am aware of how I can barely even be compared to a mundane human" and "Wait why can't mundane humans see the universe the way I do".

Apparently, observing humanity since before we mastered fire doesn't mean one actually learns the first thing about human nature.