Did someone explain to Owlcat what Aeldari are?

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Okay, so, it really feels like they looked at a few memes and then decided "Good enough, we got the jist". Yrliet is by FAR the worst written Aeldari I have ever witnessed in any of the games, books or animation. The other Asuryani aren't much better, but she just snipes the cherry off the cake.

Aeldari are supposed to be insanely persuasive. As in - to the point where every character warns you not to trust their honeyed words. Because even the most battle-hardened Banshee is able to play the role of a needy, horny space-elf that "was ostracized for dreaming of having a hunk of raw, human power taking care of... all of her needs [blushes and turns away full of shame], if only the Rogue Trade didn't see her as an ugly, abominable Xenos [looks back with big deer eyes full of hope]"

They have literally spent millions of years perfecting the craft of diplomacy, persuasion and seduction. Yes, she would think the same thing Yrliet does, but nobody would see through her facade.

Yrliet? "Dumb Mon'keigh, why Mon'keigh dumb? Omg, can Mon'keigh do anything right? Liek, omg, Mon'keigh, stop letting your feelings control you, Mon'keigh so bad at everything, omg" - B!tch, you're supposed to be an infiltrator and you need my help, but every word coming out of your mouth makes me want to jettison you and use your spirit stone as an ornamental butt plug, pipe the ♥♥♥♥ down.

Not only that - she has no grace or elegance in her behaviour. It's rash, emotional and direct. No subterfuge (aside from the hamfisting after Chapter 2), no double-meanings, no nothing. It's a more ♥♥♥♥♥ Sororitas that has 0 respect and constantly insults everything and everyone.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[SolusiRadikal]

The most glaring difference between aeldari and dhrukari, is that one of them doesn't flay you on the spot

Those 2 share the characteristic of warhammer elves, which is self centered, arogant, yet resourceful.

Meanwhile, being racist is pretty much a core trait for everything that move in 40k universe

This ain't D&D bruh/sis

[Molotova]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Yrliet? "Dumb Mon'keigh, why Mon'keigh dumb? Omg, can Mon'keigh do anything right? Liek, omg, Mon'keigh, stop letting your feelings control you, Mon'keigh so bad at everything, omg" -

One thing that does bother me is if you get he to like you, eventually, and stop calling you Mon'keigh in dialogues, her barks when moving her or getting her to interact with objects isn't updated and is still disdainful. It is a small thing but it is immersive breaking....

[XartaX]

Originally posted by Pixie1001:

Originally posted by XartaX:

I mentioned that:



If they manage to completely cut off their old way of life in both mind and body they're no longer Drukhari. A Drukhari can't use a spirit stone.

Oh fair enough - I thought you meant it was impossible for them to *ever* use one, not just to use them while continuing to be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ person.

Being a Drukhari is being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ person. Like being a human is breathing air.

[G Willikers]

Originally posted by i_kill_pikachus:

Originally posted by REhorror:

I don't know the wolves have a hive mind and intend to strip planets clean of biomass.

So you're saying they're...and stay with me here...nonsentient animals seeking to eat something to satisfy their hunger and their reproductive urge?

So...just normal animals, then?

The hive mind is sentient though

[GrandMajora]

Tyranid were the inspiration for the Zerg, if I'm not mistaken.

[Alex]

I know there was that one ork in 40k who wanted peace. Some people are just broken. We got the broken space elf, maybe?

[G Willikers]

Originally posted by Alex:

I know there was that one ork in 40k who wanted peace. Some people are just broken. We got the broken space elf, maybe?

In 40k wanting peace is a way tougher fight than looking for a war. That was the orkiest ork to ever ork

[The_Supernaut]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Tyranid were the inspiration for the Zerg, if I'm not mistaken.

This is true, then again, 95% of Star craft is a straight rip from Warhammer, heck, star craft originally was supposed to be a WH40k game until some licensing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ came up and blizzard had to redo the whole thing.

[=DeadShot=]

Originally posted by Alex:

I know there was that one ork in 40k who wanted peace. Some people are just broken. We got the broken space elf, maybe?

Who? Because it will be interested to read about the ork.

Originally posted by G Willikers:

Originally posted by Alex:

I know there was that one ork in 40k who wanted peace. Some people are just broken. We got the broken space elf, maybe?

In 40k wanting peace is a way tougher fight than looking for a war. That was the orkiest ork to ever ork

What here, wanting peace and trying to get peace is the hardest fight than waging war.

[dustin1280]

The OP clearly has no actual understanding of the Eldar at all...
It sounds like all the information the OP was claiming came from memes and surface level lore.

Eldar are extremely racist and arrogant, they think of humans as humans think of rats, cattle, or monkeys.

The idea that an eldar would "seduce" a human for their ends is absolute nonsense. They aren't diplomatic in the slightest they are conniving and manipulative.

Drukhari are more likely then Eldar to "seduce humans" and that still wouldn't be a common thing, said "seductor" would be a deviant to a society full of deviants.

Bottom line, is this game is likely the BEST POSSIBLE representation of WH40K lore that exists (of ALL warhammer video games) and our Eldar companion does a good job portraying exactly what most eldar are like.

Now Farseers might be a bit more diplomatic (MAYBE), but that is because they can literally see the future and they specialize in that stuff.

Also their diplomacy would more likely amount to "We will help you with this thing we know for a fact you want, if you help us with this. Then they would manipulate the deal in such a way that they would be helped first (if even unknowingly by the other party) Then they would ♥♥♥♥ right off as soon as their goals were met and leave whoever they made an agreement with to fend for themselves."

Under no circumstances would seduction be part of the process, even the thought of seduction of a human is insanity to Eldar and makes them sick. It's like a human trying to seduce a monkey or a cow (even if said creature could speak and has some semblance of intelligence).

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

That's not how WH40k logic works. Things are extreme. Aeldari are in control. They aren't "forcing" themselves as much as they just are. And my point exactly is that the game isn't properly portraying them the way they always were depicted in lore.

Are you for real?

The Eldar and some parts of the Imperium practice meditation to keep themselves in control due to their latent emotion & psychic power.

Which is why they are good at it. Your logic is equivalent to "Well, duh, obviously Grey Knights are practicing to resist corruption, but it doesn't mean they don't got for months-long orgies on occasion! Everyone restricting themselves only becomes more prone to the temptation!!!"

You're probably one of the people who thought that Bloodtide was profound and that Matt Ward is an amazing writer.

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Eldar are extremely racist and arrogant, they think of humans as humans think of rats, cattle, or monkeys.

The idea that an eldar would "seduce" a human for their ends is absolute nonsense. They aren't diplomatic in the slightest they are conniving and manipulative.

Drukhari are more likely then Eldar to "seduce humans" and that still wouldn't be a common thing, said "seductor" would be a deviant to a society full of deviants.

Oh boy, wait until you find what "pretending to be favorable for a long term goal" is. It's gonna be one of those hard life lessons. You can't be "conniving and manipulative" if every word out of your mouth is an insult or a hysterical outburst.

[dustin1280]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Oh boy, wait until you find what "pretending to be favorable for a long term goal" is. It's gonna be one of those hard life lessons. You can't be "conniving and manipulative" if every word out of your mouth is an insult or a hysterical outburst.

The fact that THIS is what you got out of my entire post, shows that you are too ignorant or stubborn to understand anything about the eldar.

Your ENTIRE mindset on what the eldar are is surface level and meme based at BEST.

As a race they are NOT diplomatic experts you claim, nor does any of their lore really support that statement. SOME eldar are diplomatic, but the majority are racist holier then thou beings that look at humans like humans look at monkeys or cattle (not very different from Yrilet's behavior).

Seduction would absolutely NOT be one of their persuasion techniques, as it would be akin to trying to seduce a cow or a chimp.

In fact a chimpanzee is a prime example of how eldar see us...
Chimps have intelligence, can communicate, can be taught, are capable of using tools, and even inventing things (although very low tech) to some degree.

But they are still monkeys, even a monkey with godly powers is still a monkey. What could a chimpanzee POSSIBLY teach us as humans? If we can make use of them, we will do so, but to consider them even remotely as capable as humans are? They will NEVER achieve anything because they are just monkeys after all.

Do you see us humans trying to make diplomatic ties with monkeys?
Monkey's are animals, we will give them a treat if they do something we like and it suits us to do so. However we aren't going to try to seduce a monkey, nor do we care what monkeys' as a whole think of us humans.

[G Willikers]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Drukhari are more likely then Eldar to "seduce humans" and that still wouldn't be a common thing, said "seductor" would be a deviant to a society full of deviants.

They’d be the furry openly wearing a barbed fleshlight

[Yakub]

Originally posted by rorek55:

1. Farseers are the ones who, in general, are persuasive. Not "aeldari" If anything one of the things they got wrong is about the paths. Aeldari never stay on a single path, ones that do general become Exarchs.

2. Aeldari are, surprisingly, a lot like humans. While they claim superiority, which, on average is founded due to how oppressed humans are, is hilarious. That's one of the things in 40k. Eldar and humans honestly are not all that different.

3. Aeldari struggle with emotions, as they do have stronger emotions than humans, to an extent. They did create a chaos god after all.

Create ONE chaos god and everyone says you can’t control your emotions… god this is my ex wife all over again. Thank god my nerdy son is taking care of the family buisness while the others ♥♥♥♥ around do ♥♥♥♥ all.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by V̴̔̔e̵̒͘1̴͂̿e̴͑̓z̷:

Originally posted by rorek55:

1. Farseers are the ones who, in general, are persuasive. Not "aeldari" If anything one of the things they got wrong is about the paths. Aeldari never stay on a single path, ones that do general become Exarchs.

2. Aeldari are, surprisingly, a lot like humans. While they claim superiority, which, on average is founded due to how oppressed humans are, is hilarious. That's one of the things in 40k. Eldar and humans honestly are not all that different.

3. Aeldari struggle with emotions, as they do have stronger emotions than humans, to an extent. They did create a chaos god after all.

Create ONE chaos god and everyone says you can’t control your emotions… god this is my ex wife all over again. Thank god my nerdy son is taking care of the family buisness while the others ♥♥♥♥ around do ♥♥♥♥ all.

Worse, the Eldar companion in this game says humans can't control their emotion LOL.

Like, look at you girl.