Are knife useful ?

[FIRE_aruka]

Hello

I love dagger/knife type of class in pathfinder, so i wonder if a "rogue" with double knife are useful in RT ?

[titanopteryx]

Different weapons have different attacks shapes. Like a chainsword has sweep that hits 3 in a row while Pasquel has an ax that hits a big horseshoe type area. I don't know what the attack shape of knives are but aside from attack shape they aren't better or worse than others.

[corisai]

I don't saw a dagger with high damage & penetration stats (compared to swords, axes and hammers) in Acts 1-3, sorry.

[JimmysTheBestCop]

This isnt a rogue type of game. There is no hiding or back stabbing etc.

[J-Cool]

Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

This isnt a rogue type of game. There is no hiding or back stabbing etc.

Technically there is.

[Drake]

Knives have higher parry reduction. I usually use a knife in offhand even when I don't use it, just to get the bonus of parry reduction.

[corisai]

Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

This isnt a rogue type of game. There is no hiding or back stabbing etc.

O_O Assassin is all about hitting weak points (both in melee or via sniping)...

[JimmysTheBestCop]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

This isnt a rogue type of game. There is no hiding or back stabbing etc.

O_O Assassin is all about hitting weak points (both in melee or via sniping)...

It is till a far cry from high fantasy based rogues.

The reason he can double knife in pathfinder is its 1d6 for sneak attacks and you get a lot of them.

A sniper is nothing like a dual knife wielder. The most you can get is dual wielding 1 hand melee and 1 hand range weapon then going Arch Militant so you can constantly rotate them.

This game is devoid of all stealth. Assassins get out of line of sight bonus that is about it.

I dont see how a high fantasy rogue is anything like any of the classes in this game.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

The only knives worth using you don't find until Act 3.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

The only knives worth using you don't find until Act 3.

You're about Space Marine knife or what? Wytch poisoned blades are weak compared with drukhari one-handed klaives.

[Morgian]

There is no sneak damage (or sneaking), although the assassin class deals with bonus damage to single victims. So there are pretty much no rogues of the D&D kind.

Knives can be used as other melee weapons, but they are usually weaker than the swords and axes. Some have special features, I believe the alien knives poison their victims, and I had some with 30% armor penetration. However, I kill most enemies at range, and melee plays second fiddle.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

I dont see how a high fantasy rogue is anything like any of the classes in this game.

Since a D&D rogue isn't really about hiding before striking anymore, I disagree.
You absolutely can play a rogue who zips around an opponent in melee stabbing weak points with the Assassin subclass. Doubly so if you start out as operative. But Warrior also works because charge is so useful.

[JimmysTheBestCop]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

I dont see how a high fantasy rogue is anything like any of the classes in this game.

Since a D&D rogue isn't really about hiding before striking anymore, I disagree.
You absolutely can play a rogue who zips around an opponent in melee stabbing weak points with the Assassin subclass. Doubly so if you start out as operative. But Warrior also works because charge is so useful.

That is just describing melee.

Pathfinder you still had to flank an enemy to get back stab. Yeah you can Melee in RT. But it doesn't give me pathfinder rogue vibes at all.

Arch militant can zip over the battlefield kick someone. Stab him then blast him. Doesn't make him a rogue.

Nothing in this game gives me rogue vibes.

Yeah you can be a fast melee or ranged but it's not a rogue. Yeah you can be an out of sight sniper still doesn't make him a rogue

[corisai]

Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

Nothing in this game gives me rogue vibes.

Because in high-tech world it's almost impossible to be "rogue" - you will need extremely rare and forbidden tech available to Officio Assassinorium. As many xenos able to sense heat / smell / thoughts and many humans have bionic augmentation.

[Cutlass Jack]

Hitting enemies weak side is exactly flanking.

[Marcos_DS]

You can dual wield weapons - to actually get a bonus attacks out of that you need the talent "Dual Weapon Combat", Assassins get a damage bonus by attacking openings, so kinda like using sneak attack (+10% of enemy max health or better, on top of weapon damage). They also get extra damage from a stat called lethality which is directly related to parry reduction. Since knives have the best parry reduction, dual knive means most lethality from weapons. But Assassins can use any weapon, knives are just one option. Since knive damage stats (other than parry reduction) are not that good, you are probably better off to dual wield swords or even a 2h weapon.

Long story short: you can play a 2 weapon fighting rogue-like - the Assassin. They can profit a bit from daggers specifically, but in general its often better to just use the two best 1h weapons you find.

Hiding isn't the same as dnd, but similar: the Assassin equivalent is called "Elusive Shadow" where you become the lowest priority target. Being sorta hidden like that provides a damage bonus on attack (so a bit like sneak attack from hidden), better cover efficiency, you can move through enemies etc. There is also a Talent called Ambush: if they don't have line of sight at the start of your turn, you get extra hit&crit chance.