Is it okay to kill civilians?

[weyu657 (STRAT ROULETTE)]

I mean, in many deathwish stealth heists people kill civilians like it was nothing.

[Spectre]

Publicado originalmente por Blanche Neige:

A stealth heist where you kill civilians, it's NOT a stealth heist for me.
You can complete the heist without kills civilians !
But yeah, it's more difficult.. So people prefer to kill them cuz they are to lazy to control the map.

People should learn how to play the Diamond Heist stealth 145+ in PDTH, and then come back in Pd2 stealth !

Whether you kill civilians or not. It's pretty much debatable. One game that comes to my mind is Splinter Cell. Now that game lets you kill guards, hide bodies in the dark, etc.

Lazy? More like player's preference or play style. Let them play how they want. I don't get why other people frown upon others that don't meet their expectations or play style.

The stealth mechanics in PDTH is completely different from PD2. We didn't have the "convenience" of having skills in PDTH such as bagging a dead corpse or having an indicator such as a red "exclamation mark" that tells you that you were spotted.

Publicado originalmente por Blanche Neige:

I meant, be really stealth !
Try to don't kill guard if you can and ofc no dead civils.
Sure in the Bank you have to kill guards. But in ex, for FF/election/Diamond H you can complete theses heist without killing guards.

Killing civilians in stealth is just too easy, it's like the old stealth on the beginning of Pd2, kill alls / bag alls and then you can run / jump / fire / afk where you want on the map without any trouble >_>

You can see some vids of solo player who finish dw stealth heist without killing civilians, even Go bank !

I rather take the old stealth system any day than the one we have now. I still fault OK for doing that major change to this day, but it's their game. If that's what they want to do, then they can do whatever they want. It doesn't mean I have to agree with the change. Stealth in this game is still doable but too unforgiving. Which is why I rarely rarely do stealth with pub groups unless the host wants to. I mostly do solo stealth nowadays because if something goes wrong, nobody to blame except for myself.

Publicado originalmente por hi im bob:

I mean, in many deathwish stealth heists people kill civilians like it was nothing.

Yeah, it is completely normal to kill civilians in this game. Heck, in PDTH, you can still pretty much kill civilians if you want to. You play how you want it to play. If you want to make it easy on yourself and your crew, then go right ahead. If you want to make it harder and a challenge for yourself, that's okay too.

Just so you know, if stealth fails, killing civilians does make cops more aggressive, and specials will spawn more. How much? I'm exactly not sure for myself, but I barely notice the difference when the cops are assaulting. I'm sure others with more experience can tell you.

[Mr.Duckard]

Well OP if you don't want to kill civs and prefer to stealth all professional like, all the props to you, but you can't impose your way to others, everyone can play how hey like.

If you are host feel free to tell them to stop, and if they don't kick them, if you are not host leave.

To answer your question, I don't play much stealth (find it boring) but I do kill civvies for example if the heist is ending, or if they run in my LOS as I'm firing as I do not care much.

Shooting a civ to the face is cool for roleplaying too, and it's a kind of stress reliever.

After all they are fake pixel people.

[テフラッシュバン]

Publicado originalmente por McKillem:

Publicado originalmente por -TEK- Cornson^:

The bad game design sadly forces you to sometime excecute a few civillians to make sure the heist will og smooth.

What kind of bad game design decision suddenly makes you kill civilians?

Its the fact that you are not given enough cable ties in solo stealth (For most missions) to tie them up, so you have to kill them.

[Mr. Conga]

Tell me, would you rather tie the bank manager up to see a random civy walk by and call the cops or kill the bank manager, bag him up, take his keycard and get away home free?

[Zdzieli]

Killing civs is just unprofessional. You can ignore it and choose an easy way, or do it like a pro and kill only when it's necessary... Same with guards.

[Lenikus-9T]

..Fine, you got us.
We like to murder virtual screamy annoying people things.

There's no real penalty, really, aside from the instant cash loss, payday is still the same, so you can safely stealth, let's say, Bank Heist Gold, DW, with all locks opened and still go out winning, even though when you receive the cash you are bit more poor than you were when you began.

[crazy_alan1988]

I kill civs only when I need to or I am really lazy. In The Diamond, I often kill the civs because their poor pathing makes them take too long to get out of sight, I've had one try and get to me taking over a minute for the short distance.

[Vercci ]

I prefer leaving civs alive. The game itself has no real penalty for killing civs in stealth, and that tiny smidgeon of penalty can just be kicked in the nuts with Winston Wolfe aced.

[Prodigy]

I love these self labeled "professionals" on here.
As long as killing civs has no real penalty i will do it. The only time i didnt WANT to kill civs was on the go bank achievement the rest of the time you are just as "profesional" wether you kill civs or not, at least from the game and overkills point of view.

[Stabilo ᐰ]

you dont kill anyone. its just one pixels and poligons animated to collide with others

[Zdzieli]

Publicado originalmente por PRoDigY:

I love these self labeled "professionals" on here.
As long as killing civs has no real penalty i will do it. The only time i didnt WANT to kill civs was on the go bank achievement the rest of the time you are just as "profesional" wether you kill civs or not, at least from the game and overkills point of view.

I'm not sure what it is exactly that you love in those "self labeled professionals" as you say. To each his own in my opinion. Just finishing another 100th... 500th... 1000th becomes boring so people make it harder for themselves. See True to Heat challenge, TMS challenges, recent Reddit challenge, etc... And some people just try being more pro, like not killing civs, taking all the loot, leaving no man behind, such stuff. Strange?

[Ashe]

Purists demand you don't kill civs because it's 'professional' but, as I always say in these threads, professionalism relies on making the right calls. Kill a civ if they're too much trouble and jeopardising the heist. If you can spare them then do it.

But till AI pathing doesn't act like its piloted by my inbred cousin Reggie I'm going to kill them if they take any longer than 10 seconds to walk a few meters.

[FloatingToadThing]

I only kill civillians when if i don't, there will be consequences. Such as on the train heist where there is no chance of moving the civillian quickly enough without alerting everyone.

[Aqua]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt0bXtTcZNs
You can do this.

[Conga Lyne]

Publicado originalmente por The Horseless Headman:

Tell me, would you rather tie the bank manager up to see a random civy walk by and call the cops or kill the bank manager, bag him up, take his keycard and get away home free?