Dodge - Rogue vs. Crook

[Ser Skizzbro Swaggins IV]

I was just wondering what the community's opinion is on this topic? As far as Deathwish is concerned, what do you believe would be more effective? Equipping rogue deck wearing a suit or crook deck with thick skin aced wearing any of the three ballistic armors, assuming that you have Sneaky Bastard basic in each tree. Also, would it change if SB were to be aced?

[SgtAvalanche]

Rogue is best for dodge.

And SB aced only affects how much concealment you need to get that dodge bonus, under 5 concealment for basic, under 25 for aced. Both can only get up to 10% extra bonus.

[Ser Skizzbro Swaggins IV]

Well, I guess defense would have been a better word than dodge. Would dodge still be the most optimal for surviving?

[visual.noise]

they're about the same in my experience. the trade-off for losing a tiny bit of dodge with the crook deck is that you get a little more armor from your vest, and 10% faster armor recovery. but at the cost of losing +80% weapon swap speed. its really your own preference. personally i prefer the weapon swap speed.

[Taliesin]

Agree with visual. The swap speed is really noticeable.

Furthermore, a lot of enemies on higher difficulties are gonna remove all of your armor in one shot if you're wearing anything under the ICTV. Since no enemy aside from the Sniper can deal both armor and health damage with one bullet, that helps to pull Rogue ahead even further.

[Hydrogen]

Sniper cannot deal health damage to ICTV + bulletproof. You can eat 1.5 sniper shots before you lose health. (I think you can eat 2 on overkill.)

[Deadoon]

Rogue vs crook: -15%-25% dodge 30-50 more armor +10% armor regen
Rogue vs burg: -10% dodge +20% armor regen(while standing still and crouching)

I think crook might be far more useful for ovk.

On dw, the armor you have is minimal, go with rogue unless you are a tech without the ictv, then go crook(105 armor hbv is actually highly survivable, you have more than half the armor of an ictv with armorer deck and 50% more speed and a chance to dodge bullets,at the cost of 30 armor vs the ctv).

[KarmaCow]

I tried out the Crook Deck and it really doesn't seem worth it. The intermediate armours are pretty worthless. Dodge is pretty much worthless with them and the speed increase vs armour is so minimal that you might as well go for the highest tier possible at that point. The armour recovery speed doesn't out do something like increased weapon swap speed.

I was hoping I could keep dodge while also not being one shot by Snipers with a Crook Armour build but it just doesn't seem to work that way.

[Magpie]

Rogue