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Davien 2015 年 1 月 10 日 上午 9:28
Joker skill - I find it useless
reasons:

1. hard to make a guard (esp those armored ones) yield
2. you / or your team mates might accidently kill them off before manage to make them yield
3. takes time.. need to press F, 3 times to shout, then F again to convert.. easily risking own life in the process and jeopardizing the mission especially when caught in a fire fight. Enemy sometimes do not yield (is like RNG chance, not always you get an enemy who will yield - not talking about Specials here.. just armored SWAT etc.), yet shoot you back/melee you back after they recover from a knockdown.
4. sometimes in a mission you don't even get to convert any.. due to the hecticness of the fights.
5. AI takes control of the surrendered cop.. most of the times won't last long in battles.. easily down. Sometimes dumb due to it being AI controlled.. just looking around and not doing much.

so yeah.. 4 points save from leveling up joker if choose to skip this. Anyone agrees? I purposely respec just because I got real sick of it.
最后由 Davien 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 10 日 上午 9:30
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Rocco Duke 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:35 
It's good, just suffers from LOS glitches/desync/teammates walking in front of you.

Also they aim through walls, so they make good radar dishes.
最后由 Rocco Duke 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:36
Gamecrazy009 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:48 
Joker Aced
Partner In Crime Aced
Hostage Taker Aced

The Joker'd cop will give you 10% Movement Speed, 20% Health (You heal this much since it's added to your Maximum Health) and gives constant HP Regen when partnered with Iron Man makes you unstoppable.

I call it the Puppetmaster Build.

http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mQsPMHjEGCDa:eqrokLHIjEfgDa:tda:gegCda:: - For Non Infamy

http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mQsPMHjECDa:eqrkLHIjEfgDa:tDa:ghiEgCda:ibcdea:: - For Infamy (Mastermind and Enforcer Major part, Ghost Minor).

Shotgun heavy and unkillable juggernaut with regen HP and and unstoppable lakcy that takes only 20% of all damage (He can tank Dozers for days).

Tans for your perma boosts, HRT/SWAT/FBI Shotgunner for your one shot kill needs.

Miles Bluefalls 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:52 
How is it "hard" to convert cops? Shouting them down is the easiest part. A good Mastermind can shout a cop down from a ways away. Yeah, to convert them, you have to run up to them, but it takes all of 2 seconds, and it's not like you HAVE to do it immediately. You can wait til between Assaults, it's not like cuffed cops still don't count as hostages.

Acing the related skills makes the converted unit into a BEAST. A high level Mastermind was showing that off to me in a hard game the other day, and a plain old blue SWAT was not only able to solo waves of other cops, but pretty much lived for the rest of the map.

If anything, it's just kind of a shame that Dominator is Tier 3 skill. It just feels...wrong having to invest that many points to have the ability to shout down and cuff cops after playing Payday 1.
Manco Devil 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:56 
It is pathetically easy dominating someone mid fight, I frequently dominate targets in a group because one with his hands up isn't shooting at you. Anything with good knockback works wonders, the community baseball bat or baton. My personal favourite is explosive streetsweeper, fire once at any particular target or group and provided there isnt any desync issues they become very open to the idea of working for you.
Once doing a dr misserable we had nearly half a dozen all dominated infront of our firing line. I have my shout bound to e so I can shout while shooting so it is not disruptive at all, often I accidentally kill some with thier hands up.
When they fall down they will generally get up and surrender when you spam shout. Dont aim for one it focuses you too much, give em a shout if they dont listen waste them.
最后由 Manco Devil 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:57
The Crime Skeleton 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 1:35 
引用自 Miles Bluefalls
If anything, it's just kind of a shame that Dominator is Tier 3 skill. It just feels...wrong having to invest that many points to have the ability to shout down and cuff cops after playing Payday 1.

But it was only during the times between Assaults, which I'm ok to spend a point or four to be able to cuff someone whenever I please.

If anything, I think they should do something similar what they did with Smooth Talker and give Dominator Basic to everyone. Changing the skill to be able to dominate someone during an assault and keep Dom Aced the way it is. Most are going to take the skill regardless because having a potential hostage where civs are nowhere to be found is always good.
Forest Wife Olivia 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 5:12 
A few slight modifications to the atributes of them would make them far more useful. If they had the same pathing as the AI partners, they would be far more viable, and if they could have the benefits of stockholm syndrome, then they would be perfect.
最后由 Forest Wife Olivia 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 5:12
DjPufnStuf 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 7:19 
that is like saying the turret is useless and needs to be removed. The turret and the dominator is designed to be a distraction more then firepower, it is purposly more difficult because you get a mobile turret that doesn't run out of ammo and can be used as a hostage trade. So yea it's a bit harder to make them surrender, they are suppose to be police officers and fbi agents they shouldn't give up and decide to kill their own friends and allies very easily.
Pawnstar (已封禁) 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 8:11 
引用自 N7
reasons:

1. hard to make a guard (esp those armored ones) yield
2. you / or your team mates might accidently kill them off before manage to make them yield
3. takes time.. need to press F, 3 times to shout, then F again to convert.. easily risking own life in the process and jeopardizing the mission especially when caught in a fire fight. Enemy sometimes do not yield (is like RNG chance, not always you get an enemy who will yield - not talking about Specials here.. just armored SWAT etc.), yet shoot you back/melee you back after they recover from a knockdown.
4. sometimes in a mission you don't even get to convert any.. due to the hecticness of the fights.
5. AI takes control of the surrendered cop.. most of the times won't last long in battles.. easily down. Sometimes dumb due to it being AI controlled.. just looking around and not doing much.

so yeah.. 4 points save from leveling up joker if choose to skip this. Anyone agrees? I purposely respec just because I got real sick of it.

1) I don't really have any issues with dominating, even with Dominator Owned. Just play enough to know how much to injure them before you try to shout them
2) Always happen since the first day of the game lol
3) Same as #1
4) Uh you can convert in any map that has a cop in it, and every map except Safehouse and Safehouse Nightmare has cops.
5) Partner in Crime will help a lot, as will aced Joker. For Deathwish, you can either get a tank with the FBI MRF guys aka tan armor or the HRT guys (hooded SMG fella or the plain clothes kneega with a rifle) who use nuclear rounds to kill all his colleagues in one or two bursts. For Overkill, get nothing but the FBI Shotgunner, he's my personal favorite type of enemy to use as a slave.

As for "4 points saved", I begin to see why you are having so many problems. Getting your extra partner is a dedicated job, not something you add for the novelty. You spend less, you get what you paid for.

Didn't Life teach you that?
LuckyCharmT 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 8:12 
Get 4 of them at once, and they become a one-man army. We used them on Death Wish Dr. Miserable to great effect - trust me, it was awesome.

In fact, here's a picture of it!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=320858026

During a Death Wish Dr. Miserable run.
最后由 LuckyCharmT 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 8:15
Stray Ferret 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 8:20 
Learn to dominate
lower health first.
then its easy S&M for you
Pyro 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 8:48 
If you have the skill where having a hostage heals your heath over time, it's good to dominate a cop, tell others about him so they don't accidentally kill him, but don't actually convert him. Sure the cops might eventually free him, but he'll last much longer that way, giving you plenty of healing.
SCamp 2015 年 1 月 10 日 下午 9:23 
It's harder to dominate random cops from 100% now that they removed the 200% shouting power from any MM build. But that's it. Now the game isn't as broken because you got free doms (also it's worth acing the minion skill now that dommed cops are more rare). But as a side effect... It makes clear the weakness of the skill: Ignorant and uncooperative players.

Just wish more people would learn how domming works. And that they all stop killing things people are shouting/have shouted down. I usually end up taking extra damage because someone (usually a newbie or a newbie who hacked up) isn't helping dom a lone cop (instead, killing everything) in order to release a teammate from custody (even between waves). Which usually tends to end up with me staying away from the team in order to get that dom.
DrunkenQueen 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:05 
Lower the health, the easier they get intimidiate. And make sure there is no other enemies beside the one you try to intimidate.
I will convert the MFR guy due to his body armor can resist body shots. Other green FBI guys are quite vulnerable.
Magpie 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:11 
Joker is just all in or not at all, imo, just like sentries. Dominator is still good though.
最后由 Magpie 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:12
Iron Man 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:26 
Joker, theyre making fun of your Payday Skills! :P

Police officers arent that hard to dominate if you have the proper Mastermind skills. Hit one for decent damage, and keep shouting at them (helps to keep pressing the shout button instead of doing it just 3 times). Ofcourse its best to pick out the loners and stragglers walking off at the end of an assault.

One thing i would like (and have suggested once on these forums), is the ability to make a dominated cop sit down like a hostage by interacting with them. That way you can make sure you can have a hostage at a reasonable safe location.

Some heists do not have civilians. The dominated cop can get himself killed easily. The original spot where you dominate the cop usually is not the easiest and safest (to get killed by anyones fire, or rescued by other cops).

Other than that, the dominated cop has its use by being another target to shoot at instead of you. And i find it simply fun :)
最后由 Iron Man 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:52
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