Who betrayed Hoxton

[Rax Savvage]

Who Betrayed Hoxton - an elimination of process

John Wick? Extreamly unlikely, modifying his story might impact against the actual movie and the character in general and whilst Hoxton's met em somepoint before i'd rate this as 0%

Vlad? Equally unlikely, he has nothing to gain and only recently got back to being anything because of the payday gang. 0% chance as well

Houston? Never met the guy and was brought in to replace hox because he was caught somepoint from 1 to 2. 0%

Bain? Bain wouldn't rat the crew, have one or more set up to die? maybe, but to betray the crew is a risk to himself and quite a lot of other important people. So i'd rate as 0%

Dallas and Chains? Hoxton seems to get on well enough with both as far as ingame interactions go and Dallas takes good care of the crew so both of them also 0%

The webseries FBI mole guy. He knows a few things, hes in deep and maybe wanted to score a few points with someone, hes also not exactly the most organised guy and being in the position hes in maybe disrupting the crew like this might at the very least get his overall workload deminished. His partner Ms Blonde is trying to prove the network even exists. Moleguy about 15%.

The pilots Bile and Alex they get paid to fly and thats about it, if it was a heist involving a helicopter i think it'd've come up also getting rid of 1 heister would mean they still fly for the gang, still be on banes payroll and ultimately back at square 1 with paranoia that the crew will avenge hox. so 0%

Twitch? This guy does what hes told and whilst seemingly a bit of a lackluster man, hox makes it clear that he was betrayed, not left behind and whilst i can beleive Twitch would drive off without someone, i doubt the rest of the gang would allow it. 5% chance.

Greta and Ilija, snipers who operate from long range, i find it ulikely they could've been directly responsible for hoxton being arrested, they are too far out and if they set up something, whats in it for them? Greta is an assasin, Ilija gets paid to cover the crew, if they both wanted hoxton or anyone else out the way, a simple round to the head whilst in a police sniper uniform. So 0% for both.

The Haitan, The movie director and hector. Their intrests dont conflict, sure the gang will get some profit from drugs now n then, often from hector and then the other stashes are simply outside of their influcence anyway. Cars? not the gangs current list of activites as of writing this and most of them are likely nowhere in when Hoxton is downed. So 0%

Gage? Whats in it for him. He puts guns together and sells them, doesn't really care to who, he would probably risk quite a few connections and his own life if he was betray the gang. Bain would hunt him down in less than a week and the gang would be there in a damn flash. 0%

Bobblehead Bob? Hes just an awesome civvie. 0%

Matt was taken along with hoxton and hox probably beat every last shred of useful info outta matt and he'd know if it was him by now. 0%

The Elephant? / other politicals. They wouldn't risk betraying a gang like this with the info bain could probably / has probably got on them it wouldn't go well for them at all. 0%

Dentist? He helped us get Hoxton out in return for some favours and has kept his word. 0%

Female Heister? With so little info on even what nationality shes gonna be, i'd say 10% purely out of that "Could be, because we know nothing else about her"

I cant immediately think of anyone else right now. So ultimately i think the FBI guy is the highest on my list of maybes. Still particularly unlikely. I beleive its more plausible that Hoxton was running with a couple of bains other contacts rather than the Payday gang and it was one of them that wanted Hox outta the way, maybe for a bigger personal payment for himself / herself and effectively retired or went to ground afterwards.

So ultimately i'm putting it in a 95% region of things its gonna be a totally new person to the game.

[Tuffcooke]

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I think It is not any playable characters, contacts or get away drivers/pilots. That significantly narrows it down, and then you have to see who could actually do it not just want to or might have done it. That is why I think it is the "Taxman"

We can't assume it is Taxman unless we know more about Undercover. If the crew don't interfere with Taxman's deal right away, he carries out the deal until it is revealed he is selling IRS codes to undercover feds. He hides in his limo which is blocked by feds. The feds would have arrested him then and found about his bank accounts. The only difference we made is we drained the accounts instead of the IRS reclaimed them. Taxman ends up in federal custody, without his bank accounts, regardless of who assaults him.

[Jams]

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I think It is not any playable characters, contacts or get away drivers/pilots. That significantly narrows it down, and then you have to see who could actually do it not just want to or might have done it. That is why I think it is the "Taxman"

We can't assume it is Taxman unless we know more about Undercover. If the crew don't interfere with Taxman's deal right away, he carries out the deal until it is revealed he is selling IRS codes to undercover feds. He hides in his limo which is blocked by feds. The feds would have arrested him then and found about his bank accounts. The only difference we made is we drained the accounts instead of the IRS reclaimed them. Taxman ends up in federal custody, without his bank accounts, regardless of who assaults him.

This is just process of elimination, and what do you mean we need to no more. All we need to know for now is that he is a criminal, bad enough to attract FBI attention, so we can assume he has connections in the criminal underworld, fair assumption. We also know he was screwed by the payday gang.

[Tuffcooke]

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We can't assume it is Taxman unless we know more about Undercover. If the crew don't interfere with Taxman's deal right away, he carries out the deal until it is revealed he is selling IRS codes to undercover feds. He hides in his limo which is blocked by feds. The feds would have arrested him then and found about his bank accounts. The only difference we made is we drained the accounts instead of the IRS reclaimed them. Taxman ends up in federal custody, without his bank accounts, regardless of who assaults him.

This is just process of elimination, and what do you mean we need to no more. All we need to know for now is that he is a criminal, bad enough to attract FBI attention, so we can assume he has connections in the criminal underworld, fair assumption. We also know he was screwed by the payday gang.

This is what we need to know more about: Was he screwed by the gang? When did we take him? Right at the beginning, or did we wait until after his customers were revealed to be feds? Taxman wouldn't go after us for that. We didnt do anything to him that the feds wouldn't, aside from maybe a few good swings.

[Jams]

Yes but we know that the gang left him for the cops, beaten and bruised, so either he got away and planned revenge, or got captured, then later on decided to buy his freedom or something with info on the gang, since undercover we have done a Lot of bad things.

[Mno]

It was Bain. That would also explain the burn.

"Add Caustic Soda to continue the process"

[Tenndex]

My question is "Why would anybody target just Hoxton and not just the whole crew?"

Think about it, Hoxton said they the informant/tratior is very close to the group, but if you were that close to the group and working for the FBI why would they just target Hoxton insted of the whole crew. Even if they did just target Hoxton, the group don't know about the informant until they break out Hox, so why woudn't they continue to target the other crew members.

My only explanation is that the FBI are after Bain, after all if there is no Bain then there is no crime.net.

[Magos Flibble]

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I think It is not any playable characters, contacts or get away drivers/pilots. That significantly narrows it down, and then you have to see who could actually do it not just want to or might have done it. That is why I think it is the "Taxman"

We can't assume it is Taxman unless we know more about Undercover. If the crew don't interfere with Taxman's deal right away, he carries out the deal until it is revealed he is selling IRS codes to undercover feds. He hides in his limo which is blocked by feds. The feds would have arrested him then and found about his bank accounts. The only difference we made is we drained the accounts instead of the IRS reclaimed them. Taxman ends up in federal custody, without his bank accounts, regardless of who assaults him.

Isn't there supposed to be something no one ever found about? Didn't Overkill say that there was something players missed in that heist? I doubt it has anything to do with this but... mabye?

[Blurp]

None of them, it would be new guy or the guy that doesn't show in Payday 2.

[Dootslayer]

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Bain is a possibility to be honest. I could see it ending up as a "I did what I had to do. I own you, so deal with it" kind of situations. The crew has never actually met Bain, and has no way to "deal with" him, so Bain is a possibility.

You are wrong, the crew actually met Bain before, he was the helicopter pilot on the Diamond heist in Payday: The Heist :D

[Scuba Steve]

I would imagine that they're going to introduce somebody new to the game sometime soon to take the role as the traitor. We've already concluded that it's more than likely not going to be a contact since that wouldn't make any sense to work for somebody after we "deal" with them, I highly doubt Bain would be it since that would kind of break the game, and they more than likely aren't going to make it any of the playable characters as that would mean ousting them and they already know how the community feels when a character is taken out, hence why this happened in the first place. I love Payday and all, but I think they might have put themselves in a bind trying to write a story into a game that really didn't have much of one until Old Hox was put back in.

[AlteredPerception]

Cthulu

[Pyro]

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Bain is a possibility to be honest. I could see it ending up as a "I did what I had to do. I own you, so deal with it" kind of situations. The crew has never actually met Bain, and has no way to "deal with" him, so Bain is a possibility.

You are wrong, the crew actually met Bain before, he was the helicopter pilot on the Diamond heist in Payday: The Heist :D

Also "I owe you all a round at the Tasteful club". Meaning they hang out there

[ShadowzI]

You guys obviously don't remember Baldwin.

[Tenndex]

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You are wrong, the crew actually met Bain before, he was the helicopter pilot on the Diamond heist in Payday: The Heist :D

Also "I owe you all a round at the Tasteful club". Meaning they hang out there

I don't think they would actualy do that, Bain is all about keeping himself a secret. That lines more like a "good jobe well done" thing.

It's like how he says "Man, i can small that skel bait from here" on Rats.

[RaÿTHeoN:]

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Who Betrayed Hoxton

I'd say it was Obama's fault