Spas 12g vs old shotguns

[Slowpork]

New shotgun has good RoF but it lacks, damage, accuracy and it total ammo pool could have been better. It might be legendary but for now it need some serious tweaking. I can't bring myself using it on DW as our old shotties are so much better. Even m1014.

[Slowpork]

Цитата допису Ulysses:

You dont need high accuracy and stability on shotguns, do you know that?
And damage of 80+ is enough after new perk deck system (now everyone has headshot 1.25x multiplier) so you can oneshot tans without OVERKILL boost.
Nice gun.

They do need accuracy. Sometimes they do. And stability means wasting less time between popping heads.

[kth]

Цитата допису Slowpork:

Цитата допису Ulysses:

You dont need high accuracy and stability on shotguns, do you know that?
And damage of 80+ is enough after new perk deck system (now everyone has headshot 1.25x multiplier) so you can oneshot tans without OVERKILL boost.
Nice gun.

They do need accuracy. Sometimes they do. And stability means wasting less time between popping heads.

Accuracy between 6 to 10 is enough for shotguns like Raven, Loco or SPAS-12.
18 of accuracy is good for M1014 and one Saiga's build.
10 of stability is enough for every shotgun, you wont see much difference between 10 and 30 of stability.

[ReV0LT]

Цитата допису Bleh\:

1. Buff damage to ATLEAST 60, or even better, 70-80. Meaning least ammo-carrying, yet highest-base damaging shotgun in the game

So .... Mosconi?

TBH, it pales in comparison with The Judge.

[Pawnstar]

Цитата допису Seven:

Why people worry about accuracy on shotguns I'll never understand. Possibly for slugs, but then again, I never found much use for those. I specifically mod my shotguns to reduce accuracy (not all the way, but to 6-8 or so), and find myself more effective because of it. At the effective shotgun range, you won't miss that much anyway. Against single targets, maybe you'll need an extra shot, but against groups, you'll need far less.

If it's going to be a primary weapon, you don't want to be handicapped at a shorter range. Some guys like me prefer to have some range over killing more cops in one shot.

[BitsOfSkin]

Цитата допису ReV0LT:

So .... Mosconi?

TBH, it pales in comparison with The Judge.

Every other shotgun pales in comparison to the Judge.

[kth]

Цитата допису JWL | 伝説の弾幕 TITAN:

Цитата допису Seven:

Why people worry about accuracy on shotguns I'll never understand. Possibly for slugs, but then again, I never found much use for those. I specifically mod my shotguns to reduce accuracy (not all the way, but to 6-8 or so), and find myself more effective because of it. At the effective shotgun range, you won't miss that much anyway. Against single targets, maybe you'll need an extra shot, but against groups, you'll need far less.

If it's going to be a primary weapon, you don't want to be handicapped at a shorter range. Some guys like me prefer to have some range over killing more cops in one shot.

Shotguns have falloff model. You can greatly increase accuracy and range using King's Crown and AP slugs.
Or you can sacrifice your damage using flechette and hit 2-3 cops (if lucky) from distance, higher then normal (works fine when overkill is enabled).
But I guess you know that.

[Seven]

Цитата допису JWL | 伝説の弾幕 TITAN:

If it's going to be a primary weapon, you don't want to be handicapped at a shorter range. Some guys like me prefer to have some range over killing more cops in one shot.

Well, my opinion on the matter is that if you're using shotguns at a range where accuracy matters, you shouldn't be using shotguns. To me it just defeats the point of the weapon. For that matter, even with every shotgun skill under the sun, I still feel extremely underwhelmed by just about every primary shotgun. A sniper rifle or a good AR + loco can handle just about any situation better in my experience.

[Creatures Lie Here]

So, I looked at the base stats of the shotgun w/o skill bonuses.

It looks great, except for the ammo. It has a terrible ammo-to-damage ratio. It should have the same ammo as the Reinfeld or slightly less. 40 or 48 ammo would be perfect, but at 36 it's ironically a backup weapon.

[RosarioLuigi]

Judging by the level requirement and the price, the SPAS-12 seems to be the AMCAR of shotguns. I'll use it when they add more infamy levels and I have to level again but besides that... I don't think I will be using it.

[Khazzor]

Цитата допису Payday:

maybe like its a noob gun maybe if you know wat I mean..........

like level requiremnt is Low to use it.............thats wat i mean...........

but those stats do seem lower then i thought it would be --- but thats the BASE stats

with mods its Better

those periods.................................... once again hurt my eyes like in that last post.................................

[Leap]

It fills a cool medium between normal pump-actions and semi auto's, but that ammo supply is TERRIBLE. Yeesh. M1014 can get to that same damage profile with 000 and short barrel, with accuracy not being important above 4 on shotties and having WAY more ammo. It's not even a great DPS weapon, since the M1014 makes it up with its higher ROF.

Looks cool, but needs a major upgrade to total ammo to be viable.

[F1st Br34k3r]

The m1014 seems like a straight buff on DW. Both can only one-shot elites when either Berserker or Overkill are activated, and both take two shots to kill tans when Berserker or Overkill are activated.

The difference is that the m1014 only has 6 shells and the spas has 10, but the m1014 has double the ammo capacity [+1], and a higher rof.

So... how big is the range difference? Because as of now I don't really see a reason to use the spas on DW over the m1014.

[[HdF] Almut Grete]

Even with th enew mods it still has to few rounds and dmg, another not so great shotgun to the collection ^^

[F1st Br34k3r]

Secondary shotguns are still superior when compared to primary shotguns...

[Slowpork]

Цитата допису F1st Br34k3r:

Secondary shotguns are still superior when compared to primary shotguns...

Don't know about superior but I like primary shotties. More total ammo and better ammo pick ups.