the AA12 and the Saiga

[Axyo]

so, with the new BBQ pack there came a new shotgun, the AA12 which is a straight upgrade to the saiga.

there is absolutely no point of using the saiga anymore so it kinda needs a buff. i was thinking about a higher RoF and less visual recoil to make it viable again.
what are you guys opinions about this?

[Stonepaq]

AA12 recoil make it impossible to manipulate correctly.

[Wales Grey]

Originally posted by DeadHead:

there is absolutely no point of using the saiga anymore so it kinda needs a buff. i was thinking about a higher RoF and less visual recoil to make it viable again.
what are you guys opinions about this?

The Saiga has a marginally higher max ammo and the damage difference doesn't really change any breakboints. The real killer is that drum magazine.

[Alucard †]

it actualy needs a drum mag now too .. that will buff it accordingly

[Axyo]

Originally posted by Wales Grey:

Originally posted by DeadHead:

there is absolutely no point of using the saiga anymore so it kinda needs a buff. i was thinking about a higher RoF and less visual recoil to make it viable again.
what are you guys opinions about this?

The Saiga has a marginally higher max ammo and the damage difference doesn't really change any breakboints. The real killer is that drum magazine.

AA12 has 80 and the saiga has 88 if i rmember correctly

EDIT: i was wrong the saiga actually has 70 and the AA12 has 64,still not a big difference

[puzzlefox]

Originally posted by Peridot:

it actualy needs a drum mag now too .. that will buff it accordingly

I definitely agree. Mag Plus rocks for the Saiga, but I just can't ever bring myself to dump points into it. It should definitely be a lower-trier skill.. or the Saiga should get a drum mag or extended mag.

[Hedonism]

I fell in love with the AA12 and perform really good with it , there're 2 reasons for this : magazine size and ammo pickup .

Obviously these are the thing that the saiga is lacking.It is almost unplayable without mag plus especially on dw since you'll have to fire more round to kill enemies

[WalterREQUiEM]

Originally posted by Stonepaq:

AA12 recoil make it impossible to manipulate correctly.

Dafuq? I have 44 stability on it and I can control it's recoil no problem. even without my mastermind skills it'd be completely fine.

[The Infamous Cloaker]

AA12=Best shotgun

[GrayscaleGryph]

I'll just quote myself from the thread I made in suggestions and feed back

"Now that the AA-12 is out the Saiga has fallen far behind.

What I'd like to see is a Short barrel for the Saiga, similar to the other shot-guns
Reduced accuracy, more damage small concealment buff. Just like the other shotguns
This would buff the damage nearer to the AA-12

I'll not be that guy and ask for the drum mag when we know why it's not in. But...
A 10 or 12 round 'straight' mag would be nice, and they do exist.
And, the AA-12s massive 20 round mag makes the standard 7 rounds of the Saiga look even worse"

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Originally posted by Peridot:

it actualy needs a drum mag now too .. that will buff it accordingly

I definitely agree. Mag Plus rocks for the Saiga, but I just can't ever bring myself to dump points into it. It should definitely be a lower-trier skill.. or the Saiga should get a drum mag or extended mag.

AA12 with Drum mag + Mag Plus beats Saiga w mag plus by a long shot

So yea pretty much poor Saiga desperately needs a drum mag now

its pretty much this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQWq1Z-J-EE

[Wales Grey]

AA12 doesn't even need mag plus. A four skill point saving on your techforcer for five dollars!

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Wales Grey:

AA12 doesn't even need mag plus. A four skill point saving on your techforcer for five dollars!

i know but its fun to walk around with 35 mag auto shotgun

[{NLR} C´est Moi ;D]

Originally posted by Stonepaq:

AA12 recoil make it impossible to manipulate correctly.

What recoil ? I've not had that problem at all