*SPOILERS HOXTON REVENGE* Traitor seems unplanned?

[shane3x]

So far, it seems like the traitor was never planned to be the traitor and the events of what happened just got backfilled.

There is zero indication this person knew the payday gang prior to heists in the game and that convieniently his heists were vague enough to have this story put in at the last minute. Traitors heists dont seem to indicate that they knew him prior to the first heist you do with this person.

We all know Overkill does a lot of stuff and then tries to backtrack with a lot of their content so it wouldn't suprise me if they have done this again since there are lots of gaps and holes with it all.

What do you guys think?

[Ashley]

Hector was the gangs first contact in DC. At the end of Payday 1, Bain mentions about selling the gold from the Overdrill event to a man named Hector.

So yes, Hector knew the gang in payday 1.

[Domenco]

Would be a bad snitch if you got caught early on, no?

I think they did a good job on piecing existing content together and we all know Hector is one son of a ****. And do you really expect a complex plot to be created by overkill? I mean they make good games but story telling isn't their strongest feature.

[Forest Wife Olivia]

It doesnt seem unplanned. It is a great plot twist though. Nobody really saw it comming despite all the clues along the way. Thats a sign of pretty good story telling.

[shane3x]

Originally posted by MrEly:

It doesnt seem unplanned. It is a great plot twist though. Nobody really saw it comming despite all the clues along the way. Thats a sign of pretty good story telling.

Care to eloborate? So far it seems they just took some random name from the first game and fleshed it out. I doubt they went "Oh hey lets make Hector really vague in the first game so then Hoxton can get captured and continue making him vague so that the community can release hoxton and find out who captured him". Overkill doesnt seem to work that far ahead they do so much just to have something they fill stuff in later rather then this being planned all along.

[Daniel]

Thank God it wasn't Vlad !

[kek]

Hector was sudden. Plus, if the old voice actor for Hoxton didn't go away, we would still have four characters. That would mean no traitor. Overkill just went "the community wants him back, let's make up some ♥♥♥♥ that he was arrested! Oh yeah, let's see who will the traitor be? Lemme check my beard: Ah, Hector. He was mentioned once in payday 1, DONE."

[Ashley]

Originally posted by shane3x:

Originally posted by MrEly:

It doesnt seem unplanned. It is a great plot twist though. Nobody really saw it comming despite all the clues along the way. Thats a sign of pretty good story telling.

Care to eloborate? So far it seems they just took some random name from the first game and fleshed it out. I doubt they went "Oh hey lets make Hector really vague in the first game so then Hoxton can get captured and continue making him vague so that the community can release hoxton and find out who captured him". Overkill doesnt seem to work that far ahead they do so much just to have something they fill stuff in later rather then this being planned all along.

Hectors heists also explain a lot and hint it. Watchdogs, you're ambushed. Firestarter, he asked you to film yourself committing the crime. Rats, day 1 and 2 you're ambushed by the cops.

The only time you don't get abushed is when bain takes control and the heist is not organised by Hector himself. Such as the FBI raid to take the server.

Edit: You can also expect Hector tipped off the bikers in day 1 big oil. It shows that the bikers are coke dealers, which Hector is as well. They also sometime trade with the same gang that Hector deals with. So you can imagine, Hector knows the bikers.

[Ashe]

Originally posted by MrEly:

It doesnt seem unplanned. It is a great plot twist though. Nobody really saw it comming despite all the clues along the way. Thats a sign of pretty good story telling.

Actually a sign of good storytelling is being able to convey the clues eloquently enough to the audience that they're able to piece them together. Hector's information on involvement was pretty much all shoved into the one day heist via tape recordings.

Mystery's are meant to be solved by the audience, just going 'It was them all along!' and throwing a bunch of evidence that's only really brought up at that stage doesn't much create pacing or a story rather than a conclusion.

[Ashe]

Originally posted by ♥Ashley♥:

Originally posted by shane3x:

Care to eloborate? So far it seems they just took some random name from the first game and fleshed it out. I doubt they went "Oh hey lets make Hector really vague in the first game so then Hoxton can get captured and continue making him vague so that the community can release hoxton and find out who captured him". Overkill doesnt seem to work that far ahead they do so much just to have something they fill stuff in later rather then this being planned all along.

Hectors heists also explain a lot and hint it. Watchdogs, you're ambushed. Firestarter, he asked you to film yourself committing the crime. Rats, day 1 and 2 you're ambushed by the cops.

The only time you don't get abushed is when bain takes control and the heist is not organised by Hector himself. Such as the FBI raid to take the server.

Edit: You can also expect Hector tipped off the bikers in day 1 big oil. It shows that the bikers are coke dealers, which Hector is as well. They also sometime trade with the same gang that Hector deals with. So you can imagine, Hector knows the bikers.

Rats Day 2 you're ambushed? No you're not. Not if things go smoothly.

And thinking logically, you're pretty much ALWAYS being ambushed by the cops in these games. Everything is a set up with the manner in which cops come in full force with little delay.

Also that Big Oil one seems like you're reaching far, no offense.

[Doc]

My impression from the tapes was that Rats and Firestarter were Hector far overreaching what he could get away with.
I mean, the FBI ♥♥♥♥♥ him out for attacking the Mendozas in Rats, because they were 'on the payroll', so clearly Rats, at least, wasn't an FBI plot. I imagine the fast response on Day 1 was them knowing it was one of Hector's operations, and given the fact that they want the Payday gang's heads so badly...
Firestarter also seems unlikely, given the fact that at least 2 of the days are stealthable. While I agree that sure, Bain had taken over at that point, it seems likely to me that the FBI are watching the Mendozas because they want to be sure their lackies don't just cut and run, and, again, seeing the Payday gang roll in somewhere would probably push a lot of buttons that say 'throw everything we have at them'.

Edit: Also Big Oil seems unlikely, since why would Hector know the Elephant had contracted them for that? Sure, the Cobras are trading with the Overkill MC, and they also buy Hector's meth, but that doesn't mean the two are related. Honestly, I just assumed it was one political faction using the bikers as protection against the Elephant's political faction.

[Jarl Bread Maker]

Of course Hector as the Traitor was unplanned, the Hoxton Story was unplanned as a whole.

[SPIGOT]

I would say it was sort of improvised and more or less was them retconning details to fit. That said I was sorta satisfied, even if it was something they made up as they went along.

[Unplanned_Organism]

I know a few things about unplanned stuff and this felt like it for me.
Although, the most expected suspect for me was the Dentist, but it would have made not much sense to do a Casino Heist for him right after. But, I think Overkill could have still used something like: "let's grab all the intel here and also some of the intel is on the Casino heist so we're not alone on it".
It's still sad to see Hector leaving us like this. Worst thing is probably the Bain justifications on the traitor being Hector: "that's why we got ambushed in Watchdogs/Rats".
Because that is, kinda the point of Hector loud contracts: he failed to go unnoticed, and we have to fight it..
But yet another free map, and a nice mask. (I'd like it to be a little harder though)

[ShadowAngel]

Originally posted by MrEly:

It doesnt seem unplanned. It is a great plot twist though. Nobody really saw it comming despite all the clues along the way. Thats a sign of pretty good story telling.

That's not good story telling.
The whole thing is a convoluted mess on the writing level of grade schoolers who just put the first character into a plot twist that came into their mind.

It makes absolutely no sense for Hector to act that way:
- He's one of the biggest drug trafficker on the east coast.
- He was next in line to take over the leadership of the Sinaloan Cartel in Mexico
Why would he give that up to rat out some gangsters he barely even knows? For what purpose? Not even in fiction would the FBI let go one of the biggest drug traffickers, who also dabbles in prostitution and has a violent past simply for "trying to help" them catch a couple gangsters, while he still offers them jobs (and pays them) to whipe out a different gang altogether.

He didn't know them before Payday 2 just like all the other contractors, that's more than enough implied throughout the game itself.

Even if there was a possibility of multiple dimensions open up and Hector from a different timeline, where he knows the gang, replaces Hoxton in this, it wouldn't make any sense:
Surely enough after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over the gang once, Hector wouldn't work with them together again as if he doesn't even know them. Wouldn't Bain do some research theoretically? He does research on every single contractor, so the risk of seeing through Hector being the guy responsible for putting Hoxton into Prison is too big and nobody in their right mind would risk it.

Also, surely enough after all the missions and breaking Hoxton out, Hector would either already flee the country, trying to hide and even if not, the FBI/Whoever would put more than 3 guards around an extremely unsafe house. By now everybody knows how dangerous the Payday Gang is.

Not even the "The Cops ambushed you all the time in Hector's missions!" makes any sense, since that happens in other Heists (Framing Frame Day 2 for example) from other contractors too. And where are the ambushes? On a suspicious looking truck? Well that happens. On a known meth lab in the woods? On drug dealing gangsters in the middle of the city?

Also contractors don't tell you everything about a mission happens not only from Hector. Bain always complains about Vlad not telling everything, like that there are a lot of russian mobsters in the Nightclub.

No, this is simply badly done, makes no sense at all and totally anti-climatic.

[you know who i am]

Well, the gold from PD:TH went to Hector, overdrill, Hector figured out who they were, and framed hox, notice on how the police knew the gang were on Rats, Firestarter and Watchdogs at the very beginning, Hector could of Anonymously called the cops to try to have them arrested, then when that failed, he never gave the gang a new heist, so he could of went dark, then the gang found him and put him down.