What's with all the hate for "cheaters"

[Pines Bettur]

This is not a PvP game.

They paid for this game just like you.
They can play it in the way they like to.
They just want to have fun.

If they don't affect your stats.
If they don't troll people.
If they don't get all the DLCs for free.
( Most of them won't even do these! )

Why hating them? They're just gamers, like all of us.

[Hellsing]

i count spending more then 120 skill points as trolling your team mates
infamety and your profile is private = kick
public profile and 120 skill points benefit of the doubt

i dont care if someone cheated to infamety 5 but follow the game rules when you play online

i would love overkill to make it so that cheaters can ONLY join cheater lobby's
this makes cheaters and legit players happy

[Pines Bettur]

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Escrito originalmente por FSBKILLER:

This is not a PvP game.

They paid for this game just like you.
They can play it in the way they like to.
They just want to have fun.

If they don't affect your stats.
If they don't troll people.
If they don't get all the DLCs for free.
( Most of them won't even do these! )

Why hating them? They're just gamers, like all of us.

You have nothing against cheaters because you cheated to get the most of your achievements. Bank heist dw completed in 2 minutes, dw transports in 3 minutes, all dlc achievements in 1 minute etc.

IMO cheating ruins the game and the fun you have. And when you'll get to V-100 and you'll be called a cheater and get kicked you'll understand why everyone hates cheaters.

Cheaters are the only ones I kick from my game. And if I join on pub server and see a cheater I leave immediately.

Like everyone above said, I did it all in private games, so what's the point?
I want to get achievements, does that affect your gameplay experience?

[Delumen]

Because these cheaters (don't put 'cheaters' in quotation marks, they actually are cheating) join public games. Keep it offline and nobody would care.

[Pines Bettur]

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A perfect example of rude players in the PAYDAY 2 community, accusing me for being a cheater without any proof. Come and check my pd2stats!

I haven't accused you, but clearly you would have less hesitation to cheat than me. And as far as I know it's forbbiden to talk about cheating even. So expect to get your thread locked as soon as a moderator sees it.

I created this thread to discuss "Why do people hate cheaters"
Not to encourage cheating, it's pretty obvious, isn't it.

[Sirius]

Because this is still a multiplayer game.

If someone joins my lobby and starts to cheat away, I'm not ok with that - They rarely ask for permission.
If I join someone's lobby and they cheat away, I'm not ok with that - They rarely warn you before cheating.

They don't even need to intend to troll or ruin the game for me, worse, they often don't even think.

So, where, in those scenarios, is it ok to ruin my experience, since I also paid for the game, and therefore have as much rights as you seem to grant the cheaters?

If they warn me, ok. I can leave.
If they ask me in my game, and I say "no", and they leave, possibly without starting to insult me, ok.

They can do what they want inside their own offline game or with their cheater friends, even though technically everyone should know that

"I have bought the game, I can do with it what I want"

is dead wrong.

Read the EULAs of your games. But that's a whole different can of worms.

As far as I am concerned, I do not want to play with cheaters, period.
Since they are completely in the wrong, they better have the common courtesy to warn me or ask for permission when in my game.

That is all.

[Ailes]

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i would love overkill to make it so that cheaters can ONLY join cheater lobby's
this makes cheaters and legit players happy

it wouldnt make all happy. some cheaters enjoy ruining your stats. or some believe everyone welcomes billions of cash gained by the push of one button. i join newbies games quite a lot and see V-infamys join and cheat away. if i call them out they sometimes leave. they obviously now they wont be noticed by lowbies as much and think of them as some carebears, apprently.

[Pines Bettur]

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*sigh* A perfect example of rude players in the PAYDAY 2 community, accusing me for being a cheater without any proof. Come and check my pd2stats!

Or check your achievements, which show that you've done various deathwish heists in 1 minute.

Like I said, I did that privately.
You guys said you're OK with people cheating offline, now you're not OK with it?
My goodness...

[Magpie]

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Escrito originalmente por Horatio:

I haven't accused you, but clearly you would have less hesitation to cheat than me. And as far as I know it's forbbiden to talk about cheating even. So expect to get your thread locked as soon as a moderator sees it.

I created this thread to discuss "Why do people hate cheaters"
Not to encourage cheating, it's pretty obvious, isn't it.

Honestly, you should have expected this kind of response. It seems extremely naive to create a thread defending cheaters and not expect people to take this as encouragement or for it to become a very heated discussion. I feel as though I even acting perhaps a bit too aggressive (obviously not as aggressive as some) and that's why I'm just gonna apologise for my behaviour and leave this thread.

[Pines Bettur]

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I don't think they'll be labeled as cheaters if it wasn't them cheating.
And no I'm not a cheater, for ♥♥♥♥'s sake at least find some proof before accusing me of being a cheater.

If it wasn't them cheating then power to them. But good luck to them when they're stuck with a massive chunk of offshore and achievements they didn't work towards all in the same minute and they're trying to explain how they didn't cheat.

There's actually an anti-hack function in a cheat, which allows you to reverse the previous change made by other hackers, just for you to know.

[Pines Bettur]

Escrito originalmente por -=|JFH|=-Hellsing:

i count spending more then 120 skill points as trolling your team mates
infamety and your profile is private = kick
public profile and 120 skill points benefit of the doubt

i dont care if someone cheated to infamety 5 but follow the game rules when you play online

i would love overkill to make it so that cheaters can ONLY join cheater lobby's
this makes cheaters and legit players happy

That is a great idea!
Man if OVERKILL really creates that, everyone will be happy and peaceful!

[PatFPS]

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Like everyone above said, I did it all in private games, so what's the point?
I want to get achievements, does that affect your gameplay experience?

It doesn't affect my experience and honestly I don't even care if you cheat achievements, never even look through achievements in game. Was just stating that you have nothing against them because you used them. I just don't understand why cheat achievements because they are challenging and fun to get (at least for me).

But V-100 with 30 hours, 520/120 skill points, godmode etc. instant kick.

[Pines Bettur]

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Because this is still a multiplayer game.

If someone joins my lobby and starts to cheat away, I'm not ok with that - They rarely ask for permission.
If I join someone's lobby and they cheat away, I'm not ok with that - They rarely warn you before cheating.

They don't even need to intend to troll or ruin the game for me, worse, they often don't even think.

So, where, in those scenarios, is it ok to ruin my experience, since I also paid for the game, and therefore have as much rights as you seem to grant the cheaters?

If they warn me, ok. I can leave.
If they ask me in my game, and I say "no", and they leave, possibly without starting to insult me, ok.

They can do what they want inside their own offline game or with their cheater friends, even though technically everyone should know that

"I have bought the game, I can do with it what I want"

is dead wrong.

Read the EULAs of your games. But that's a whole different can of worms.

As far as I am concerned, I do not want to play with cheaters, period.
Since they are completely in the wrong, they better have the common courtesy to warn me or ask for permission when in my game.

That is all.

Ok man, seems like you are being pretty calm here (Not like some other commenters, LOL)
I now agree with you, honestly.

[ShadowAngel]

The "It's not PVP"-'argument' is the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ i ever heard.
So cheating is only bad in PVP games? Nothing else?
So the cheaters who clog the leaderboard in Defense Grid 2 for example, are fully OK because it's not an PVP game but a Single Player/Coop game? And the Cheaters have all the rights to ♥♥♥♥ up the Leaderboards with insane scores because they just "enjoy the game" their way?

And in Payday 2 you have to endure Cheaters because it's PVE? So a Cheater with God-Mode is OK? A Cheater who makes the Cops not appear is fun? A Cheater who raises the worth of the money bags ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the money of all other players is OK?

What stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way of thinking is that?

Cheaters can cheat as long as they stay in Single Player Mode but when they enter a game of people who want to enjoy the game as it is and then start to cheat, that's just wrong. They simply destroy the game for the legit players. They kill all the fun.

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I don't think they'll be labeled as cheaters if it wasn't them cheating.
And no I'm not a cheater, for ♥♥♥♥'s sake at least find some proof before accusing me of being a cheater.

Yes you are a cheater:
Tag the right truck on Election Day 1 unlocked August 22 @ 7:56 and then finished the second day in just 2 minutes @ 7:58
And how did you manage to finish Rats Death Wish at 12:05 and then Watchdogs Death Wish at 12:06?

Lord of the Flies unlocked at 12:26 on August 17, just like all the following:
Arachne's Curse unlocked at 12:27 (50 headshots in 1 minute?)
Pest Control unlocked at 12: 26 (250 headshots? so 150 in 1 minute?)
Seer of Death unlocked at 12:27 (250 more headshots in 1 minute?)
At the same you also unlocked Far, Far Away, Last Action Villain. all at 12:27 and 1 minute later you managed to not only kill 3 enemies at once but also 10 shields with your Thanatos transforming into an R93, which then turned into a Rattlesnake because at 12:30 you got Public Enemy No. 1.
And you managed to do all that on Shadow Raid (I Will walk faceless among Men unlocked at 12:30 too)

And then there are the Big Bank achivements. Hacked the Computer at 11:40 and finished the heist at 11:41...

[Pines Bettur]

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Escrito originalmente por FSBKILLER:

I created this thread to discuss "Why do people hate cheaters"
Not to encourage cheating, it's pretty obvious, isn't it.

Honestly, you should have expected this kind of response. It seems extremely naive to create a thread defending cheaters and not expect people to take this as encouragement or for it to become a very heated discussion. I feel as though I even acting perhaps a bit too aggressive (obviously not as aggressive as some) and that's why I'm just gonna apologise for my behaviour and leave this thread.

Ok then, I appreciate and respect your calmness here.
I'm just trying to discuss something on the contrary side of view.
Good day, sir! :D

[Hellsing]

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Escrito originalmente por -=|JFH|=-Hellsing:

i would love overkill to make it so that cheaters can ONLY join cheater lobby's
this makes cheaters and legit players happy

it wouldnt make all happy. some cheaters enjoy ruining your stats. or some believe everyone welcomes billions of cash gained by the push of one button. i join newbies games quite a lot and see V-infamys join and cheat away. if i call them out they sometimes leave. they obviously now they wont be noticed by lowbies as much and think of them as some carebears, apprently.

whell they are working on anti cheat software just make it instead of banning them mark them for only cheater games (permanent) i would love to see the forum fill up with cheater complain about the other cheater in their games maybe then te'll finally understand why legit players hate them