I would like for Xmas a .50 caliber heavy machine gun.

[captain, bask185]

I would like a M2 HB .50 cal browning. There are several reasons why i want it:
- I am disappointed about the western pack, a bow, a single action revolver you gotta load one bullet at the time and a lever action rifle which cant wield full sized rifle cartridges IRL dont belong in the game, though are not that bad, I am pissed i cant get my 2 bucks back.
- a while ago some clown wanted a mideaval weapons pack, which ofc nobody liked. So might as well ask for my machine gun ^^
- We can aim down the sight of a .50 cal sniper rifle of about 15kg, while standing.
- we can hip fire an MG42 while sprinting without falling over.
- we can carry the beast in 3 small bags and assemble it in a couple of seconds,

So the last part of reality already left the game long time ago and overkill went so far they actually gave the community a bow -_-. So I thought: might as well give me my machine gun.

I thought long about how to implement this weapon into the game.
I came up of 4 different ways:
- as asset which can be bought. So we would get one M2 somewhere on a vantage point as a fixed setup
- as asset in the form of a deployable bag mounted on a tripod with 360 degree FOV. You can
- mounted on a vehicle which we can use on some heist from a year of now...
- as A primary weapons which needs to be deployed in 2-3 seconds using RMB (and can be unployed in half a second when you get shot at too much.

[DELTA]

id like that

[Terminator01]

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- I am disappointed about the western pack, a bow, a single action revolver you gotta load one bullet at the time and a lever action rifle which cant wield full sized rifle cartridges IRL dont belong in the game, though are not that bad, I am ♥♥♥♥♥♥ i cant get my 2 bucks back.

The DLC is called "Western Pack". What did you expect? Fully automatic laser guns?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- a while ago some clown wanted a mideaval weapons pack, which ofc nobody liked. So might as well ask for my machine gun ^^

Same reason why we don´t need a Browning M2.

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- We can aim down the sight of a .50 cal sniper rifle of about 15kg, while standing.

So?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- we can hip fire an MG42 while sprinting without falling over.

Originally posted by Terminator01:

So?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- we can carry the beast in 3 small bags and assemble it in a couple of seconds,

Originally posted by Terminator01:

Originally posted by Terminator01:

So?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- as A primary weapons which needs to be deployed in 2-3 seconds using RMB (and can be unployed in half a second when you get shot at too much.

Beside from your other points, the Browning M2 weights far more than the M95 or MG-42. Even the Minigun has less weight. How do you want to make the movement penalty? The Minigun has already 40%. Do you want to make 60% or more? Then nobody would use it as a primary. Doesn´t matter how good (Overpowered) it would be.

[captain, bask185]

Originally posted by Terminator01:

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- I am disappointed about the western pack, a bow, a single action revolver you gotta load one bullet at the time and a lever action rifle which cant wield full sized rifle cartridges IRL dont belong in the game, though are not that bad, I am ♥♥♥♥♥♥ i cant get my 2 bucks back.

The DLC is called "Western Pack". What did you expect? Fully automatic laser guns?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- a while ago some clown wanted a mideaval weapons pack, which ofc nobody liked. So might as well ask for my machine gun ^^

Same reason why we don´t need a Browning M2.

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- We can aim down the sight of a .50 cal sniper rifle of about 15kg, while standing.

So?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- we can hip fire an MG42 while sprinting without falling over.

Originally posted by Terminator01:

So?

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- we can carry the beast in 3 small bags and assemble it in a couple of seconds,

Originally posted by Terminator01:

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

- as A primary weapons which needs to be deployed in 2-3 seconds using RMB (and can be unployed in half a second when you get shot at too much.

Beside from your other points, the Browning M2 weights far more than the M95 or MG-42. Even the Minigun has less weight. How do you want to make the movement penalty? The Minigun has already 40%. Do you want to make 60% or more? Then nobody would use it as a primary. Doesn´t matter how good (Overpowered) it would be.

You act like a smart-butt (the other word is sencored) but you aint that smart, if you would have read the entire OP, you would have read that the gun has to be deployed before you can fire, in other words you cant fire and walk with the gun at the same time.

for the movement penalty: as primary weapon same penalty as the the minigun or slower, basicaly it doesn't matter HEARTS because you are wielding your secondairy weapon until you find place and oppurtunity to switch to the M2 and deploy it using RMB.

I thought as bag item to give it the same movement penaty as a normal weapon bag.

I thought it should fire 500-550 RPM with 150-200 damage, it is a 50 caliber afteral. It should be balanced by the fact that it has to be deployed. You could also limit its ammo to 200 total ammo round without an ability to reload.

and for all your; "So"s. If you dont get it, you should not make yourself look like a fool. I was trying to prevent some stupid arguments like "movement penalty" blabla, by using the beast argument. As in: we can carry a 500kg? drill in 3 bags, reality is long gone.. so in relative to the beast it should be easy to wield an M2 as loot bag item

[Pain]

No, we don't need more gimmick weapons.

[Terminator01]

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

but you aint that smart, if you would

Maybe it´s YOU that isn´t very smart, so I asked you in an other way:

Why would we need it?


Your reasons, why you wish the gun in the game looks just like that you want it, without thinking about how to balance it correctly. As I said, if you want to use it as a primary, the movement penalty MUST be bigger than the Minigun. And if it would be bigger than nobody would use it just because of this.

You want to make the gun takes 150-200 damage? I think you forgot a weapon which uses the same calibre and makes 2880 damage/shot. What balance would be that?
And why I should take a machine gun with 200 Total Ammo when I can take a LMG with 563 Total Ammo?

The deployable idea is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Yes, it would be "more realistic", but Game Balance > Realism. And beside from that, nobody wouldn´t really want that.


So your entire idea is just bad and looks like a demand because just YOU want it.

[captain, bask185]

Originally posted by Terminator01:

Originally posted by captain, bask185:

but you aint that smart, if you would

Maybe it´s YOU that isn´t very smart, so I asked you in an other way:

Why would we need it?


Your reasons, why you wish the gun in the game looks just like that you want it, without thinking about how to balance it correctly. As I said, if you want to use it as a primary, the movement penalty MUST be bigger than the Minigun. And if it would be bigger than nobody would use it just because of this.

You want to make the gun takes 150-200 damage? I think you forgot a weapon which uses the same calibre and makes 2880 damage/shot. What balance would be that?
And why I should take a machine gun with 200 Total Ammo when I can take a LMG with 563 Total Ammo?

The deployable idea is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Yes, it would be "more realistic", but Game Balance > Realism. And beside from that, nobody wouldn´t really want that.


So your entire idea is just bad and looks like a demand because just YOU want it.

Why do you talk about balance? balance in payday 2 is just odd and never makes any sense, dont forget about that.

the 9mm sterling can shoot like 50 damage while the 9mm mp5 shoots 29 damage at best.

The AKM can shoot 68 damage but the G3, scar-H and FAL all have the bigger 7.62 nato round but shoot way less damage.

mosin nagant shoots more damage and can pierce shields while the G3, scar-H and FAL all fire a round with a similar size with 1/5 it's damage.

The judge shoots more damage than the other shotguns despite it has the smallest shotgun calibre

the winchester repeater doesnt sport big rifles rounds, yet it shoots more damage than any other rifle.

There wouldnt be that much difference between 200 and 2880 damage besides that dozes drop in 2 shots, the rest is already a 1 or 2 shot. wtf does it matter that a .50 caliber bolt action designated sniper rifles does more damage than a .50 caliber belt fed machine gun?
nothing

And brah you litterly talk like you don't know that the movement penalty does not imply to the LMGs and minigun when you walk arround with a secondairy. In payday2 it doesnt matter that we get a movement penalty on an 8kg M249, as you just takeout your secondairy if you gotta run. And we dont get a movement penalty while we walk with a 15kg sniper

And why would we need it? why would we need any more guns at all, we already have plenty. We dont NEED anything it is about what we want.

and please dont speak for others with

And beside from that, nobody wouldn´t really want that.

go read the first reply on this topic.

You can also say in a normal totally not disrespectfull way that you dont have to see an M2 in game, and that you dont think it is a good Idea.

And that you disagree with something does not make something totally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[captain, bask185]

What is OP about this:

As bag item you can deploy it one time on one location with a total ammo pool of 200 rounds with 200-250 damage. The bag should give a same movement penalty as a weapon bag seen in firestarter. It should come without a protective shield so that you would have to get off the gun, when to many cops start shooting you.

And if during testing it seems that it is a bit to OP it can always be nerfed.

[Kay]

I really don't want a browning .50 cal in the game. not at all, the .50 cal rifle we have is more than enough .50BMG rounds. It's loud, old and doesn't fill any hole left in the game.