Real World Weapon Counterparts

[Mad Matt Dog]

So, after making a thread asking about the real world versions of the new snipers, I figured it might be cool to have a thread that has all the weapons real world names.

EDIT: List has now been filled out. Check it out and tell me if there's still discrepancies.


PAYDAY 2 - Real life counterpart
Assault Rifles:
AMCAR - Colt M733
AK - Izhmash AKS-74
CAR-4 - Colt M4A1
UAR - Steyr AUG A2
AK 7.62 - Izhmash AKMS
JP36 - H&K G36C
M308 - Springfield Armory SOCOM 16/M14 DMR(base is a hybrid)
AK5 - Bofors AK5
AMR 16 - Colt M16A4
Commando 553 - SIG SG 552
Eagle Heavy - FN Herstal SCAR H MK-17

Sniper Rifles:
Rattlesnake - Remington MSR
R93 - Blaser R93
Thanatos - Barrett M95

Shotguns:
Reinfeld 880 - Remington Model 870 MCS
IZHMA 12G - Izhmash Saiga 12K
Mosconi - Original gun by Overkill
Locomotive - Remington Model 870 Short-barrled

LMG's:
RPK - RPK-47 Hyrid
KSP - M249 Para
Brenner 21 - H&K HK 21E

Pistols:
Interceptor 45 - USP .45
Chimano Custom - Glock 22C
Chimano 88 - Glock 17
Crosskill - Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator
Bernetti 9 - Beretta 92FS Centurion
Bronco .44 - Taurus Raging Bull
Stryk 18c - Glock 18c
Signature .40 - SIG-Sauer P226R
Gruber Kurz - Walther PPK
Deagle - IMI Desert Eagle Mark XIX

SMGs:
Mark 10 - Ingram MAC 10
Compact 5 - H&K MP5A2
CMP - Brügger & Thomet TP9-US
Para - Olympic Arms K23B Tactical
Krinkov - (Desinger Unknown) AKMSU
Kobus 90 - FN P90 TR
Swedish K - Carl Gustav M/45 /Kulspruta/Swedish K
SpecOps - H&K MP7A1

That's a lot of guns.

Also here's a list of every version of every gun in the game along with all the versions you can create with attachments: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Payday_2

[Hukkie]

Escrito originalmente por Mutant1988:

Escrito originalmente por Blaire, Lady of The Tree:

I've already given my source.
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/Mosconi_12G

It may look like a preexisting gun, sure. But it doesn't take reference heavily from any one specific model. That's what makes it unique.

Because ornaments does an entirely unique weapon system make? That exact configuration of foregrip, barrel selector and double triggers exist. The only differences are the shape of the stock (Which is really only made to re-use the same animations as other angled grips) and the engraving (Of which some of the guns I linked above are VERY similar).

Mutant 1988 speaks truth.

Also linking a wikisite about a gamecompany and their opinions and claims to their weapon being original is not exactly a viable source.

Hardly what you could call unbiased.

Claiming that rifle is original would be like buying a brand new BMW and painting it in a color that BMW does not use, and claiming it is no longer a BMW, it is my own brand new and original car.

They used a regular double-barrel shotgun and slapped some ornaments on it, nothing else.

[Mino]

Escrito originalmente por Hukkie:

Escrito originalmente por Mutant1988:

Because ornaments does an entirely unique weapon system make? That exact configuration of foregrip, barrel selector and double triggers exist. The only differences are the shape of the stock (Which is really only made to re-use the same animations as other angled grips) and the engraving (Of which some of the guns I linked above are VERY similar).

Mutant 1988 speaks truth.

Also linking a wikisite about a gamecompany and their opinions and claims to their weapon being original is not exactly a viable source.

Hardly what you could call unbiased.

Claiming that rifle is original would be like buying a brand new BMW and painting it in a color that BMW does not use, and claiming it is no longer a BMW, it is my own brand new and original car.

They used a regular double-barrel shotgun and slapped some ornaments on it, nothing else.

You know, I'd REALLY like it if people would actually read the other points that have already been made before re-making them.

No, Overkill did NOT invent the double barrel shotgun.

No, Overkill did NOT invent the additions to the double barrel shotgun.

But yes, Overkill made a gun without directly copying it from a pre existing model. It's not really made from scratch, but the gun is unique enough that there IS no real life variant that goes any more specific than "Double Barrel Shotgun".

It's like the differences between the CAR-4 and the AMCAR. No, they're not the same gun technically. They might as well be, they look and behave fairly similarly, but they are NOT the exact same gun.

Really though, since nobody apparently cares enough to go back and read the points that were made, I'm just going to cease further interaction with this discussion, because clearly nothing is progressing in either side's favor.

[Mutant1988]

Escrito originalmente por Blaire, Lady of The Tree:

But yes, Overkill made a gun without directly copying it from a pre existing model.

Except they did.

Everything is made from references. Nothing is entirely unique. This is not an issue, because things are made to work a certain way and as a result, they also look a certain way.

"Not based on any one gun"`? Yeah... Except based on features from all of them which ends with it looking pretty much just like all of them.

This is not a science fiction gun here. There's absolutely nothing original about it apart from the shape of the grip, which again is shaped that way to re-use animations.

Not to mention that this tangent got started over your statement about there being no guns with both barrel selectors and double triggers.

Escrito originalmente por Blaire, Lady of The Tree:

Dude, it has a barrel selector AND two triggers. It wouldn't work if it were a real gun. It's clearly not an existing gun. Whoever designed the gun must be the crackhead.
I mean, yes it's a double barrel shotgun, Overkill didn't invent THAT, but the model and make of the gun is theirs.

So how about you just swallow your pride and admit you were wrong about that and are wrong about modelling methodology in general and are needlessly getting caught up on the concept of "originality"?

Escrito originalmente por Blaire, Lady of The Tree:

I've already given my source.
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/Mosconi_12G

Community wiki as source? I'm sure that http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/User:GFreeman who added that bit of trivia is a reputable expert on the subject and qualified to speak on behalf on the developers as to it being made from scratch without reference.

There is not a shred of originalty to it's design. Saying it's made from scratch is a joke, when there's a ton of guns that look just like it bar the shape of the grip and engravings (Because those are never custom made on the real things, right?).

[Styx|UnsyNZ]

This is all available on the wiki just so you know, no need to post it here..just saying

[Mino]

Escrito originalmente por Mutant1988:

There is not a shred of originalty to it's design. Saying it's made from scratch is a joke, when there's a ton of guns that look just like it bar the shape of the grip and engravings (Because those are never custom made on the real things, right?).

This is EXACTLY what I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ talking about with you people.
RIGHT HERE I SAID

But yes, Overkill made a gun without directly copying it from a pre existing model. It's not really made from scratch, but the gun is unique enough that there IS no real life variant that goes any more specific than "Double Barrel Shotgun".

I admit, sure I was wrong about the barrel selector and double trigger. Fine. That's not what started the issue. What DID start the issue, is someone said "Oh, the Mosconi is this specific real life model" when it wasn't. Meanwhile, the rest of the community doesn't bother to read the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ post and is only looking to stroke their ego with "I have to be the right one"

This is childish. This whole discussion, has been childish. And if I have to go back and regurgitate the same information until it sticks, then it's not worth my time.


The Mosconi 12G is not ONE SPECIFIC GUN WITH A REAL LIFE MODEL NUMBER. Which, by the way, is what this forum is about, didnt' you know? Finding the real names of the guns, which is the only thing I've been trying to contribute here.

Goodbye.

[Mutant1988]

Escrito originalmente por Blaire, Lady of The Tree:

The Mosconi 12G is not ONE SPECIFIC GUN WITH A REAL LIFE MODEL NUMBER.

And that's when you find the closest fascimile because again, it's modelled from reference. Either it matches a specific gun or specific parts from different guns. We can occupy ourselves with trying to figure out which parts from which guns. It is very generic though, but so are the real things.

"Nope, fictional, stop trying!" doesn't add anything to the topic.

[Rex Power Colt]

Oh well.I'm renaming it Fausti DEA SL.It's close enough.

[Mutant1988]

I have to say the OVE9000 SAW is a bit of a mystery. Mostly because the grip makes no sense based on what I know of saws. Holding it by the arch and pistol grip would be very awkward, and possibly dangerous as it wouldn't give you as much leverage as grips mounted at the same angle. Don't even know what that water hose adapter is doing there, doesn't really seem to be any water cooled saws that are hand held.

But yeah, I'm assuming it's just some random rotary saw (Concrete or rescue saw) with some random ventiles and feature placements and odd grips re-use an existing animation for the right arm, or just to allow it to be carried in a way that actually shows it at the height your viewpoint is at.

Rotary saws are freaking terrifying to use by the way. Throws a lot easier than a chainsaw.

[Hukkie]

Escrito originalmente por Mutant1988:

I have to say the OVE9000 SAW is a bit of a mystery. Mostly because the grip makes no sense based on what I know of saws. Holding it by the arch and pistol grip would be very awkward, and possibly dangerous as it wouldn't give you as much leverage as grips mounted at the same angle. Don't even know what that water hose adapter is doing there, doesn't really seem to be any water cooled saws that are hand held.

But yeah, I'm assuming it's just some random rotary saw (Concrete or rescue saw) with some random ventiles and feature placements and odd grips re-use an existing animation for the right arm, or just to allow it to be carried in a way that actually shows it at the height your viewpoint is at.

Rotary saws are freaking terrifying to use by the way. Throws a lot easier than a chainsaw.

They are indeed terrifying to use, but they do tear ♥♥♥♥ up like nothing else and you feel pretty cool sawing through stuff with them.

Have tried, would do again.

Also your comment on the OVE9000 having a pistolgrip due to re-using old animations for the right arm is pretty much spot on, it is the only valid reason to model it like that. Concerning the watercooling we could always go with "Custom made for PAYDAY-Gang" I suppose.

I have seen saws that look like that apart from the grip being used by firemen to cut up cars during rescue-missions, so it could be partly modelled from those versions.

[lemon14]

Video game gun experts, gotta' love 'em!

[To0t]

why dont overkill just use the real name....

[Seth]

Escrito originalmente por cats:

why dont overkill just use the real name....

They would have to pay the companies to be able to legally use the name of the weapon in their game

[Vector88]

Escrito originalmente por cats:

why dont overkill just use the real name....

Escrito originalmente por SethOS:

They would have to pay the companies to be able to legally use the name of the weapon in their game

There's that

And I would assume that most companies like HK, Colt, Springfield, and FN Herstal would not want their products to be prominentily featured in a game about killing cops. Bad publicity especially in a society and in media that demonizes firearms and the companies that make them.

[Alinar Fenfaren]

Escrito originalmente por Mutant1988:

Escrito originalmente por Chubby Kitty:

*snip*

Who forced you into this topic?

It's called freedom of speech hunny. Perhaps North Korea would be more to your liking. I hear mysogynists and anti-semites get on very well there.

(nice forum stalk btw, should I feel special?)

[Mutant1988]

Escrito originalmente por Chubby Kitty:

(nice forum stalk btw, should I feel special?)

You're not important enough to stalk. I based that solely on you having been rude in every single post I've seen of yours.

In this topic there's gun talk. If you dislike that, you can stay out.