The Payday 2 Secret Theory Thread!

[Slurpy Chuckles]

Welcome! This is a thread for the discussion of the Payday 2 'Secret', an ARG that has roots leading all the way back to the release of Payday 2.
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[noctemdracone velk.ca]

That is the thing that has me wondering though. How did Bain stumble across anything about Baldwin's Lament? Surely a group as thorough as Kataru would make sure as little(if any) info about it would be kept off the internet. Makes me curious as to when Bain starting looking into it.

Anyone know if there is anything that points to how long Bain has been researching into Baldwin's Lament?

[CaptainLagbeard]

Well, the first real note I can think of that points to him looking for Baldwin's Lament is The Guide of Bain, that came with the special edition of Payday 2 you could pre-order...
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/The_Guide_of_Bain

So, at least since somewhere between Payday the Heist in 2011 and Payday 2 in 2013...

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

But does the guide specifically say anything in regards to Baldwin's Lament? I keep thinking back to the last page of it that Bain added in himself where he says he is searching for whatever Baldwin was into, but how he "couldn't find anything on it anywhere." He keeps talking about how there wasn't something right about the gold found in the First World Bank alongside what went down in the Undercover job. "Something didn't feel right, and i can't get it out of my head. Maybe it was the job itself, maybe it was the city?"

It is almost as if something triggered some deeply buried memory in Bain's brain and he is trying to figure it out.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I don't know if the guide mentions Baldwin's Lament... That name might have only recently come up in that casette in Jacket's room.

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

My guess is that something caused something to trigger in Bain's brain during the Undercover job and with the FWB gold and us getting the box back for the Dentist further confirmed something for him and caused him to really scour the internet for some small detail that might give him a clue about it. His actions drew the attention of Kataru resulting in them coming after him for fear his memory was returning and Bain managed to leave behind a clue before he was taken.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Subject13:

What's left for us to look into again as of right now? I reaply want to sit down and do some speculating and research before the next event

If you want to look into something weird, that might not have anything to do with the secret... But who knows...

On the Bank Heist map, and by extent Firestarter Day 3, this sidewalk, or at least from this angle the left half of it
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1494614931

It behaves for the sake of sound effects and bullet hits as if it was made of metal.

People datamined the heck out of the game and found no indication the map had anything hidden, but the metal sidewalk is just weird and out of place.

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

Cannot remember exactly what, but that was dismissed as something like an oversight about the map making.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I wouldn't be surprised if was just a mistake in the map making, but I wonder how much work it would be to fix that, and they haven't done it in 5 years...

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CaptainLagbeard:

I wouldn't be surprised if was just a mistake in the map making, but I wonder how much work it would be to fix that, and they haven't done it in 5 years...

No clue. Could be something as simple as changing the material it is listed as, or simply to go into the map and change the material that way.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Feels like it would be something as simple as that, if they still have the files for the bank map...

But the fact that they haven't changed it makes me just question it.

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CaptainLagbeard:

Feels like it would be something as simple as that, if they still have the files for the bank map...

But the fact that they haven't changed it makes me just question it.

Look at it from another angle. Why would they need to change it? It doesn't cause any problems with the game, nor does it prevent the level from being completed. It is just an area of the map that sounds differently than it should.

[Subject13]

Ya and I was more so talking about secret related stuff anyways. There's information that hasn't been touched yet or that hasn't been solved yet and I want to look into that as opposed to scouring over game file elements that might give a slight hint and not a concrete clue. Basically I want to look into anything that might be outside of the game so I can actually form proper theories and not just speculate over everything everyone else here has done. Not that I don't enjoy the commraderie, I just hate reading 200 comments and then seeing everyone come up with the same mentality as me so it forces me to think differently. I want to explore as many different paths as possible

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

That is why I am asking the things I am about Bain. I am trying to see what people think about the possibility that there might be more to Bain than we think.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Well, there's always been more to Bain than what's known... But then again there isn't all that much known about him to begin with...

[ignoramus]

While we're throwing stuff at the wall here,

Bain apparently has lines implying he served in the military, referring to Baghdad and the Vietcong (there's also a side job that implies he used to be a cop but, yknow, that's a side job). Perhaps he saw something strange while serving and wanted to find an explanation for it after he quit. Perhaps that thing he saw is what made him quit in the first place.

Granted, if there is anything of relevance in Iraq or Vietnam, then it would raise the question "why didn't Bain just send the clowns there asap", but he has been somewhat... cautious? Can't think of a better word.

Up until mid-2015, all heists took place in or near D.C., and up until early 2016, all heists took place in the U.S.. He might've not been sure if the gang would've been able to handle stealing something in another country. Furthermore, he might've not been sure the gang were loyal enough to do that (obviously they kind of are, as ever since he was captured the gang's been trying to finish what he started).

Additionally, Murkywater, which is pretty much neck-deep in whatever we're dealing with, is also stated to take stuff from those regions in Shadow Raid.