Is the Bronco .44 the Worst Pistol?

[Category Theory]

I'm trying to figure out why so many people seem to like the Bronco .44 pistol. Even when one looks at only high-damage pistols, the Deagle seems to be much better.

While the Bronco has higher damage (65) when unsuppressed, the Deagle can still easily be modded to bring the damage to 50 or higher, so both will kill most standard enemies with one headshot and MFRs with 2.

However, the Deagle has a larger magazine (10 or 16 vs. 6) and a faster reload time (1.7 seconds for a tactical reload[payday.wikia.com] versus 2.2 seconds for the Bronco). This allows it to kill 9 or 15 enemies (4 or 7 MFRs) with headshots versus the Bronco's 6 (3 MFRs) before reloading, and start killing again sooner after one needs to reload. Oh, and if you aim fast or for enemies you need to double-tap, the Deagle also has the advantage of a faster fire rate.

The Deagle is also capable of using a suppressor, and with aced Silent Killer skill has comparable (59, or 65 with Long Barrel) damage.

The (unsuppressed) comparable high-accuracy modification configurations that seem reasonable to me would be:

* Bronco: scope mount, sight, aggressor barrel, slimline body. 65 damage, 16 accuracy, 23 concealment.

* Deagle: overkill compensator, ergo grip, pistol red dot sight, and long barrel. 55 damage, 18 accuracy, 22 concealment. (You can increase accuracy or magazine size at the cost of more concealment.)

For a high-concealment build, the Bronco can achieve 30 concealment vs. the Deagle's 29, but the Deagle can still maintain over 50 damage in that build, so headshot kills are effectively identical.

So why, except for being under level 36 or having Bronco but not Deagle mods in stock, would I ever want to use a Bronco? Especially in tight situations where I have a lot of nearby enemies I need to kill immediately, I'd prefer to be using almost any other pistol.

[Doctor Cirno]

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If you are Mastermind with Gunslinger aced, you can reach over 100 damage with the Bronco. It allows you to oneshot HRUs in the head, even without the Technician headshot bonus. I don't know if the Deagle is capable of that?

It is, if you happen to have Silent Killer (which I agree many Masterminds might not). The Deagle does 50 damage with the Long Barrel and the Monolith Suppressor; aced Silent Killer brings the damage to 65, which is the same as the maximum damage of the Bronco .44 without additional skills. (Any additional skills would apply to both equally.)

I find using silent killer on a Deagle pointless. Sure you can use an Asepsis suppressor and a long barrel for more damage for a Deagle and get a silenced handcannon, but the Bronco will still have massive damage output using only a single mod. Bronco .44 now has a maximum of 75 Damage when modded and not boosted by skills. Using Gunslinger it easily surpasses 110 damage.

Deagle + Gunslinger Ace + Silent Killer (Aced) + Asepsis Suppressor + Long Barrel - 55 base x 1.50 x 1.3. = 107 (Rounded from 107.25)

Bronco .44 + Flash Hider + Aggressor + Gunslinger Ace - 75 base x 1.5 = 113 (Rounded from 12.5).

The Bronco needs 12 less skill points to 1 shot headshot maximum force responders. I find the Bronco .44 superior, even though the magazine is permanently at 6. The Deagle has the benefit of larger magazine (Boosted further by Mag plus),

In terms of sheer damage output compared to cost, Bronco wins out. However, it only does so if it is wielded by a high spec'd mastermind. In other cases a non mastermind may find a Deagle with its 2 shot capabilities and higher mag more useful than a 6 shooter with more damage that has no uses.

[Category Theory]

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I find using silent killer on a Deagle pointless. Sure you can use an Asepsis surpressor and a long barrel for more damage for a Deagle and get a silenced handcannon, but the Bronco will still have massive damage output using only a single mod.

Yes, but single-mod or not, this still doesn't help with the Bronco's problem of having a low long-term fire rate. If you don't have Gunslinger aced (which costs a minimum of 42 skill points, versus 32 for Silent Killer), the Deagle becomes the better option.

Killing 6 MFRs with headshots is an example that's probably about as favourable towards the Bronco as you're going to get. Assuming you take longer to switch aim than the fire rate, the Bronco will take .207 seconds * 6 (for the time between the shots for each double-tap) plus 2.2 seconds to reload, or about 2.7 seconds plus your aim time. A Deagle with the stock 10-round mag. will take .150 seconds * 6 plus 1.7 seconds to reload, for a total of 2.6 seconds plus your aim time. Things get worse for the Bronco as you have to make even more kills in a short time, and far worse if you put the extended mag on the Deagle.

There's a reason that the Bronco is unlocked at level 6, and the Deagle not until level 36.

That said, I agree that if you are a high-spec'd Mastermind and can get the Bronco's damage over 100, it may become a reasonable option as a secondary weapon.

[Doctor Cirno]

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I find using silent killer on a Deagle pointless. Sure you can use an Asepsis surpressor and a long barrel for more damage for a Deagle and get a silenced handcannon, but the Bronco will still have massive damage output using only a single mod.

Yes, but single-mod or not, this still doesn't help with the Bronco's problem of having a low long-term fire rate. If you don't have Gunslinger aced (which costs a minimum of 42 skill points, versus 32 for Silent Killer), the Deagle becomes the better option.

Killing 6 MFRs with headshots is an example that's probably about as favourable towards the Bronco as you're going to get. Assuming you take longer to switch aim than the fire rate, the Bronco will take .207 seconds * 6 (for the time between the shots for each double-tap) plus 2.2 seconds to reload, or about 2.7 seconds plus your aim time. A Deagle with the stock 10-round mag. will take .150 seconds * 6 plus 1.7 seconds to reload, for a total of 2.6 seconds plus your aim time. Things get worse for the Bronco as you have to make even more kills in a short time, and far worse if you put the extended mag on the Deagle.

There's a reason that the Bronco is unlocked at level 6, and the Deagle not until level 36.

That said, I agree that if you are a high-spec'd Mastermind and can get the Bronco's damage over 100, it may become a reasonable option as a secondary weapon.

I generally don't fuss over the frequent reloads that come with the Bronco .44 because of its set 6 round capacity because Gunslinger reduces reload time by 50%. I absolutely do not care about being caught mid reload in a firefight because I like having Kilmer Aced, and I could opt for running to cover. Usually gun comparisons in general mostly come down to personal preference. Bronco .44 is simple in a sense that is just does a ton of damage, while the Deagle has its own perks that grant it advantages over the Bronco .44 that makes it more appealing.

I like the Bronco. 44, but I don't love it. It has its flaws, and honestly all of the guns do. Both the Deagle and the Bronco .44 are good in their own rights. Bronco because it packs the most power and is actually cheaper for its effectiveness, and Deagle for its versatility. Like I said before, Bronco was meant for 1 shot, and Deagle for 2. Never the other.

[Johnny Pay]

i use it because of this

http://youtu.be/Zz7tNgsIf-g

also, you get the bronco at a ridiculously low level compared to the deagle

[Gunsmith Noob]

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i use it because of this

http://youtu.be/Zz7tNgsIf-g

also, you get the bronco at a ridiculously low level compared to the deagle

Also,potential next Overkill's april s fool

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145290/2811032-bang_gun.jpg

[Comnav45]

It is great for intimidation in stealth levels as long as you have a silent primary.

[Flodge]

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It is great for intimidation in stealth levels as long as you have a silent primary.

Weapon choice makes no difference in this situation.


Bronco can do more damage, but most of that damage is wasted, it is 'overkill' for the job in hand.

If you have Gunslinger aced, then the higher damage saves you from needing to double tap tans.

If you have Gunslinger aced AND the Tech headshot bonus then the deagle is able to do this as well with a better fire rate and magazine size.

If you don't have Gunslinger aced then they both require a double tap.

[IAYS]

My gripe with the deagle is that for the same amount of bullets, you do less dmg. And while a 98 dmg deagle is nice (running T4 tech), I love the ability to OHK cloakers w/ a 113 dmg bronco. That, and a bad habit of spamming shots.

[IAYS]

Also, Chimano 88 = worst pistol

[Flodge]

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My gripe with the deagle is that for the same amount of bullets, you do less dmg. And while a 98 dmg deagle is nice (running T4 tech), I love the ability to OHK cloakers w/ a 113 dmg bronco. That, and a bad habit of spamming shots.

Again that requires Gunslinger aced... so basically:
- Gunslinger aced with Tech headshot use bronco if you want to OHK cloakers otherwise use deagle
- Gunslinger aced without Tech headshot use bronco because it's the only pistol that will OHK tans
- Otherwise, use deagle?

[Monarch]

Style + Concealment.

[Something]

It is one of the lesser handguns. If you're using it, generally you're in the Togusa position.

[cujo_xix]

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Also, Chimano 88 = worst pistol

I always aim for the head even though it requires more bullets to take down 1 MFR, not that bad, but obviously inferior compares to the other pistols. I love Chimano 88 since its the best stealth pistol in my opinion.


Bronco .44 is just like another locomotive in pistol category to me. Deagle is good, but way cheaper. If my aimming is good enough, I'd like to choose Bronco .44 instead the other semi-auto pistols with larger ammo pool.

[HeavenWrath]

Tho its a 6 shots only revolver, its quite powerful and stuns most cops with every shots to the head (Including the Tazer, Cloaker and Shield). The two drawback of the guns are its ammo capacity (30 shots, limiting a lot its use) and poor accuracy when going for maximum damage input. To compensate, its reload speed is slightly faster than any other sidearms, even with a full reload (No bullet left in the chamber/roulette).

[ajburges]

Bad Taser with Deagle: half your ammo is gone!
Bad Taser with Bronco: 1/6 your ammo is gone.

Bronco also is easier to nudge to one-shot territory.

Really, this thread reincarnates every few weeks. It just goes to show that these two are one of the few weapons in the game that are BALANCED against their similar alternatives.

Show me:
> a 40 damage weapon that is frequently compared to the CAR-4
> a discussion seriously comparing the shotguns
> a discussion that takes a sub 40 damage rifle seriously