Are the Payday crew really bad guys?

[Jackie's Box]

I understand that the Payday crew rob and steal and shoot and kill people...but they're not evil. Would any of these guys shoot a little girl? That's my question. Are they really bad?

[Cipher]

Matt's a Judas-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-♥♥♥♥ anyway. We don't need no water, let that wanker burn.

[drewbstar]

Originally posted by ~TLB~ Joninator XVII:

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Both of which, were not supposed to happen.

On Green Bridge, we accidently hit a tanker, causing the large explosion. We just ment to stop traffic.
On Heat Street, Matt betrayed us. It was supposed to be a clean-cut, no kills, no deaths, get in, grab, exit.
Matt changed that.
(Just like RNG can change The Diamond Heist from literally no kills to camping for 15+ minutes in a slaughterfest)
Matt also locked himself in there. We simply provided the means to escort him out
Matt could have left at any time. His choice. Our opinion

Also, No Mercy is non-canon, so doesn't count.

[Ashe]

Originally posted by Steel Sentry:

Originally posted by drewbstar:

-Steal from rich banks
-Steal from corrupt IRS
-Steal from evil PMCs
-Steal from ultra-rich Garnet, who is willing to sacrifice his CFO for his things. (Also, RNG allows you to finish the heist while firing ZERO shots)
-Steal from counterfeiters
-Steal a prisoner, so maybe a little.

The whole "stealing from bad people" isn't redeemable, because they are keeping it all. If Robin Hood didn't help the poor, he would be a bad guy too.

Because stealing from the poor is noticeably less lucrative than stealing from the rich.

[Prodigy]

Originally posted by GMNG:

I understand that the Payday crew rob and steal and shoot and kill people...but they're not evil. Would any of these guys shoot a little girl? That's my question. Are they really bad?

I dont know. What if you run out of cable ties and she is about to push the alarm...

[Cipher]

Originally posted by PRoDigY:

Originally posted by GMNG:

I understand that the Payday crew rob and steal and shoot and kill people...but they're not evil. Would any of these guys shoot a little girl? That's my question. Are they really bad?

I dont know. What if you run out of cable ties and she is about to push the alarm...:dallas:

Ones and zeros deleting other ones and zeros.

[leon]

Originally posted by drewbstar:

We simply provided the means to escort him out
Matt could have left at any time. His choice. Our opinion

> dem peepz be laik "let's give him the chop"
> bain be laik "AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FO' THAT"
> takes 15 minutes to drag his bitchass about half a mile to the destination
> +rep bain most nicest upstanding civilian :') 11/10 would recommend $100%

[Vali Riversong]

Originally posted by xenolego:

They are all sociopaths except Wolf (and if you want to count him, Jacket), who is a psychopath.

Except Jacket is the exact definition of a sociopath. He does not talk (he uses a cassate tape player) and he just kills. He has no use for money.

[drewbstar]

I'll go more indepth then.

They were less evil in Payday: The Heist.
The stole only from the rich, they never harmed the poor.
In fact, their actions probably helped the poor.
FWB, all the civs inside had their money protected. Dallas brought up the FDIC, and how each person was protected.
Counterfeit? The millions they made hurts the economy.
Slaughterhouse? That gold which would have only been traded to ultra-rich to ultra-rich gets thrown to the little guys.
(Kinda funny, VERY illegal actions have been to shown to help the economy in some cases)
Undercover? IRS/Taxman was corrupt. That deal scammed the public out of millions in funding for everything from VA health care to the bridge that was blown up.
Green Bridge was accidently too bad, the tanker went up, it shouldn't have.
Diamond Heist can be finished with 0 cops kills if you're lucky and fast.
Plus, isn't it nice when the little guys get some gems that a rich guy was hoarding?
(A rich guy that would sell out his CFO to keep, I might add)

However, with Payday 2, it changed.
Stealing into Murkywater, stealing Coke which would be used on "our boys"? Sure.
Stealing stolen paintings? Sure.
The small jobs were us getting out name out, so Mallcrasher or Four Stores are kinda an excuse.

But, we reached a different point.
We raided the FBI, slaughtered an entire team, killed the FBI boss, we stole NUKES and BOMBS
Some of the smaller things, like moving drugs would have happened anyways. Stealing some money from a dirty club doesn't really matter.
But we did some really, really messed up stuff in Payday 2. Our actions could have easily destoryed the entire world

[Sumire Violets]

bad guys is surely subjective to term
Sure they're stealing, but would they harm a civilian? unless they were psychos who only kill the innocent, they're not as bad as they seem

[leon]

Originally posted by drewbstar:

killed the FBI boss,

I wouldn't say that's canon, but other than that, I completely agree.

[Ashe]

Originally posted by drewbstar:

I'll go more indepth then.

They were less evil in Payday: The Heist.
The stole only from the rich, they never harmed the poor.
In fact, their actions probably helped the poor.
FWB, all the civs inside had their money protected. Dallas brought up the FDIC, and how each person was protected.
Counterfeit? The millions they made hurts the economy.
Slaughterhouse? That gold which would have only been traded to ultra-rich to ultra-rich gets thrown to the little guys.
(Kinda funny, VERY illegal actions have been to shown to help the economy in some cases)
Undercover? IRS/Taxman was corrupt. That deal scammed the public out of millions in funding for everything from VA health care to the bridge that was blown up.
Green Bridge was accidently too bad, the tanker went up, it shouldn't have.
Diamond Heist can be finished with 0 cops kills if you're lucky and fast.
Plus, isn't it nice when the little guys get some gems that a rich guy was hoarding?
(A rich guy that would sell out his CFO to keep, I might add)

However, with Payday 2, it changed.
Stealing into Murkywater, stealing Coke which would be used on "our boys"? Sure.
Stealing stolen paintings? Sure.
The small jobs were us getting out name out, so Mallcrasher or Four Stores are kinda an excuse.

But, we reached a different point.
We raided the FBI, slaughtered an entire team, killed the FBI boss, we stole NUKES and BOMBS
Some of the smaller things, like moving drugs would have happened anyways. Stealing some money from a dirty club doesn't really matter.
But we did some really, really messed up stuff in Payday 2. Our actions could have easily destoryed the entire world

Thing is. The heists were designed by Bain, whereas Bain isn't the entire payday gang. These people are just doing the heists as Bain laid out for them. The heists seemed to have some reasons to them but the gang itself didn't pay much heed to them. They want the money, they're not in it for the long game but rather the quick cash jolt, with the exception of Chains.

What they do isn't really applying to them or being processed. Otherwise there'd be some kind of link between heists. But instead they're being lead from heist to heist by Bain with the key goal being to line their own pockets. None of them particularly hesitate to use civilians as assets, nor do they particularly object to using them to further their means, like in diamond heist with the nephew and the other guy being dropped from the chopper live.

In 2 it just becomes less organised.

[Sumire Violets]

Originally posted by Schwoops:

Originally posted by drewbstar:

I'll go more indepth then.

They were less evil in Payday: The Heist.
The stole only from the rich, they never harmed the poor.
In fact, their actions probably helped the poor.
FWB, all the civs inside had their money protected. Dallas brought up the FDIC, and how each person was protected.
Counterfeit? The millions they made hurts the economy.
Slaughterhouse? That gold which would have only been traded to ultra-rich to ultra-rich gets thrown to the little guys.
(Kinda funny, VERY illegal actions have been to shown to help the economy in some cases)
Undercover? IRS/Taxman was corrupt. That deal scammed the public out of millions in funding for everything from VA health care to the bridge that was blown up.
Green Bridge was accidently too bad, the tanker went up, it shouldn't have.
Diamond Heist can be finished with 0 cops kills if you're lucky and fast.
Plus, isn't it nice when the little guys get some gems that a rich guy was hoarding?
(A rich guy that would sell out his CFO to keep, I might add)

However, with Payday 2, it changed.
Stealing into Murkywater, stealing Coke which would be used on "our boys"? Sure.
Stealing stolen paintings? Sure.
The small jobs were us getting out name out, so Mallcrasher or Four Stores are kinda an excuse.

But, we reached a different point.
We raided the FBI, slaughtered an entire team, killed the FBI boss, we stole NUKES and BOMBS
Some of the smaller things, like moving drugs would have happened anyways. Stealing some money from a dirty club doesn't really matter.
But we did some really, really messed up stuff in Payday 2. Our actions could have easily destoryed the entire world

Thing is. The heists were designed by Bain, whereas Bain isn't the entire payday gang. These people are just doing the heists as Bain laid out for them. The heists seemed to have some reasons to them but the gang itself didn't pay much heed to them. They want the money, they're not in it for the long game but rather the quick cash jolt, with the exception of Chains.

What they do isn't really applying to them or being processed. Otherwise there'd be some kind of link between heists. But instead they're being lead from heist to heist by Bain.

so guns for hire basically?
they don't care what Bain's up too, they just do it for the money

[drewbstar]

Originally posted by Red Rum:

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Oh, really?
I must be confusing him with the manager from FWB, who we kinda did kill, maybe.


Also, another thing to note: Compare Base Game Payday 2 with DLC-maps and such.
Base Game:
-Destroy enemy gang guns
-Destry an entire gang
-Maybe move some drugs
-Rob some banks, jewelry stores
-Help Vlad. (Smash up a mall, steal a tiara, steal some dirty Nightclub cash)
stuff like that.
Elephant is a no, because what the public isn't aware of, cannot be considered a benefit nor it being taken away a downside.

However, compare to the DLC.

-STEAL LOTS OF CARS
-STEAL MASSIVE BOMBS
-BREAK INTO BIGGEST BANKS, STEAL MASSIVE DIAMONDS, STEAL FROM CASINO
-illumaitry
-STEAL FROM ARMORED TRANSPORTS BY LIKE, blowing up skywalks, or kidnapping PARAMEDICS

stuff like that, you know?

[Ashe]

Originally posted by Top Nep-Nep:

Originally posted by Schwoops:

Thing is. The heists were designed by Bain, whereas Bain isn't the entire payday gang. These people are just doing the heists as Bain laid out for them. The heists seemed to have some reasons to them but the gang itself didn't pay much heed to them. They want the money, they're not in it for the long game but rather the quick cash jolt, with the exception of Chains.

What they do isn't really applying to them or being processed. Otherwise there'd be some kind of link between heists. But instead they're being lead from heist to heist by Bain.

so guns for hire basically?
they don't care what Bain's up too, they just do it for the money

More or less.

Payday for you and me, the song from the first game gives allusions to a righteous cause but it's not entirely reflected. And it's still greedy at e core, seeing as it's not redistribute but kept by the gang.

The way they act and the way they operate is as guns for hire, but as it stands, Bain is the only one hiring or more so, he's their agent taking on the contracts.

[Brother Bigot]

Originally posted by Viper:

To answer that 'will shoot little girl?', no. Definitely not shoot a little girl. Think of cleaner cost. No. Not going to happen. Are they bad? Well, how many good cops have they killed? Think of all training cost of them. Especially cloaker. Their years of training, equipment... They are paid by honest taxpayer, you. Oh, they also could be a good father, good spouse too. Hope this answers the question good enough.

They won't shoot her but will kill her a grenade aimed for a shield