Better Bots

[Fantasminha Brincalhão]

Does the better bots mod mark you as a cheater? Seems to change a lot

[Postal Dude]

Better bots dont mark you as a cheater but it is cheats so dont use it

[Mr. Mystery]

Anti cheat system is just a Pirate marker really.
You‘re not going to get marked for using Better Bots, but it is considered a cheat within community and will net you a community ban. So better not touch it if you wanna keep the almighty Judge, 5/7 AP pistol and Wick.

[ktulu84]

Originally posted by Mr. Mystery:

Anti cheat system is just a Pirate marker really.
You‘re not going to get marked for using Better Bots, but it is considered a cheat within community and will net you a community ban. So better not touch it if you wanna keep the almighty Judge, 5/7 AP pistol and Wick.

why is it considered as a cheat ? just asking

[Seal]

Originally posted by BoraY:

Originally posted by Mr. Mystery:

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why is it considered as a cheat ? just asking

Any mod that merely gives a simple statistic buff is not a 'rebalance', but rather an unfair advantage, otherwise known as a cheat.

[ivan]

No it does not, this games anti-cheat is extremely forgiving unfortunately

[Stinker]

Originally posted by BoraY:

Originally posted by Mr. Mystery:

Anti cheat system is just a Pirate marker really.
You‘re not going to get marked for using Better Bots, but it is considered a cheat within community and will net you a community ban. So better not touch it if you wanna keep the almighty Judge, 5/7 AP pistol and Wick.

why is it considered as a cheat ? just asking

The ability to make your bots react instantly, deal 5x damage, throw grenades and dom cops kind of does that to a mod.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Delinquent:

Originally posted by BoraY:

why is it considered as a cheat ? just asking

The ability to make your bots react instantly, deal 5x damage, throw grenades and dom cops kind of does that to a mod.

If you set them up to be broken, obviously they'll be broken. You can equally set them up for a slower reaction, not to dom cops and not to throw grenades. Their damage output is also based on the weapon you give them. Even a half decent player will outkill the bot that's replacing them anyways. And that's also not considering they don't do objectives, and still carry bags at a slower rate than a player.

It still seems beyond silly for it to be a cheat now when it wasn't a cheat for the 4+ odd years before hand.

[Stinker]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

If you set them up to be broken, obviously they'll be broken. You can equally set them up for a slower reaction, not to dom cops and not to throw grenades.

There's a certain mod that makes stealth a joke which you can easily set up to make stealth harder than vanilla and even disable its trademark feature. Just because you can though doesn't mean people do it. You have a mod that has the ability to completely trivialize the game; What do you think will people do? Act responsibly? Nah, they'll crank that ♥♥♥♥ to 11 so the game plays itself.

Also, before AI in PAYDAY 2 was literally useless, now even without mods they're overpowered as hell. Making something overpowered even more overpowered speaks for itself.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Delinquent:

There's a certain mod that makes stealth a joke which you can easily set up to make stealth harder than vanilla and even disable its trademark feature.

SA was designed with the intend of removing any difficulty to the core mechanics of Stealth. Better Bots doesn't remove any core aspects of the game, be it loud or stealth. This comparison doesn't hold up since killing hordes of enemies is something players can do, and I'd certainly argue to a far higher and more effective manner.

I mean seriously, how many times have you seen your AIs shooting the shield instead clearing the enemies around the shield? This goes for both with BB and without.

Just because you can though doesn't mean people do it. You have a mod that has the ability to completely trivialize the game; What do you think will people do? Act responsibly? Nah, they'll crank that ♥♥♥♥ to 11 so the game plays itself.

Better Bots doesn't "trivialize" the game anymore than skilled players with hilariously broken builds. Those players will also help with objectives, which the bots will not.

Besides, you can't really blame the lack of self control on the tools being used. We don't blame the chainsaw for the murder, we blame the person misusing the chainsaw as a weapon instead of using the tool as it was intended.

Also, before AI in PAYDAY 2 was literally useless, now even without mods they're overpowered as hell. Making something overpowered even more overpowered speaks for itself.

Default AI is still hot garbage even with the changes they've had over the years. They still don't shoot cloakers before trying to get you back up, they still run into turrets and get stunlocked/downed, and they still don't focus out Tasers shocking you.

[Fantasminha Brincalhão]

Sometimes I join holdouts where people have 50 sentries with infinite ammo, they're not marked as cheaters neither

[vulkar]

The question has already been answered, there is no need to argue.

[Lanxcapo]

Originally posted by Delinquent:

Also, before AI in PAYDAY 2 was literally useless, now even without mods they're overpowered as hell. Making something overpowered even more overpowered speaks for itself.

only situation in which they are anywhere near overpowered is if you are comparing them to actual players that have "getting downed every 30 secs" skill level but that tittle is easy to get that even a joker is overpowered compared to them

[Jimmy Hunter]

Originally posted by Lil Uzi Vert:

Sometimes I join holdouts where people have 50 sentries with infinite ammo, they're not marked as cheaters neither

The "cheater" flag only really picks up DLC pirating or emulation. Even then, the only thing they'll do is ban you from the community group and the forums. But of course, those people can just cheat in those weapons...

The only real way to keep the cheating scum out of your game is with mods like NGBTO, Lobby Checker, and/or Stop that Hacker. But like always, there's still ways around those too. I'd also advise hosting your own games as well, as this gives you total control over who gets to stay and who doesn't get to stay.

[Stinker]

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

SA was designed with the intend of removing any difficulty to the core mechanics of Stealth. Better Bots doesn't remove any core aspects of the game

That doesn't mean Better Bots is a cheat. If you want to get really specific a cheat by definition is an unfair advantage. Better Bots provides benefits vanilla players do not get and were never intended to be in the game with the goal of making it easier. Cheat.

Originally posted by Jimmy Hunter:

Besides, you can't really blame the lack of self control on the tools being used. We don't blame the chainsaw for the murder, we blame the person misusing the chainsaw as a weapon instead of using the tool as it was intended.

In that context the chainsaw would be the murder weapon. The weapon the murderer used. What does the cheater use?

[Stinker]

Originally posted by lanxcapo:

Originally posted by Delinquent:

Also, before AI in PAYDAY 2 was literally useless, now even without mods they're overpowered as hell. Making something overpowered even more overpowered speaks for itself.

only situation in which they are anywhere near overpowered is if you are comparing them to actual players that have "getting downed every 30 secs" skill level but that tittle is easy to get that even a joker is overpowered compared to them

And the boosts and near-invincibility aren't overpowered?