Body Expertise actually worth it?

[Pupwa]

Applying headshot damage to bodyshots doesn't sound lucrative the better you get at landing headshots, but to be fair I mostly end up using semi automatics like DMRs, Snipers, and Pistols, the last of which has their own section of skills and can benefit from crits easily because of their innately high concealment. I do use the Akimbo STRYKs alot and usually just burst fire it at distances or close in onto crowds at full auto, so maybe it does have merit with weapons with high ROF and not enough stability to mitigate the recoil when spraying at hoards.
Still, just having either 30% or 90% headshot damage on bodyshots sounds a bit steep for the amount of points you need to invest towards it, and I have no idea if the extra 25% headshot damage from perk decks also apply to it, and knowing if it does or doesn't would make or break it for me.

[✦]

No, from the 25% bonus perk - no.
Body Expertise with 30% = 1.6; at 90% - 2.8 multiplier in the body.
Base headshot multiplier = 3, with +25% perk = 3.75 (Death Wish+)

It makes sense to take Body Expertise if you live to get into the body (anarchist) or to kill opponents (stoic).

[Unknown Knight]

Extra headshot bonus doesn't apply.

I would recommend Body Expertise if your build has enough points to afford it. There will be players giving you the "if you can headshot you don't need it" argument which I find to be extremely flawed.

A Body Expertise build will be able to kill with ease from medium yo far range and also be able to clear masses within a few seconds as opposed to headshots. I don't think even pro CS players can do consistent headshots faster than BE spray fire.

Lastly, consider shotguns instead if the build is limited on points.

[>//The_FALCON]

same argument as "why waste points on inspire if i can just go over there and hold F for literally 0 skill points"

you take it because it makes the game easier

[Mr. Mystery]

If your gun cannot reach perfect Stability and/or Accuracy, or cannot really perfectly land headshots or you want to use it in a Berserker build, then yes. If it can, then you‘re better off using Crits and going for headshots (if you can handle hordes of enemies, if not then BE and spray away)

[DubbleChrisP]

BE works especially well with LMGs and Akimbo SMGs, but I generally don't take it with other automatics like ARs or SMGs, simply because they're accurate enough to pop heads without difficulty.

An easy way to consider it is that since BE doesn't factor in the 25% extra headshot bonus, you're only doing 0.9 of 1.25 instead of 0.9 of 1, which means you're actually doing 0.72 of your normal headshot damage to the body with BE aced, or 0.24 of your normal headshot damage with BE basic.

[Undefined]

IMO it only shines with low-accurcy weapons (i.e., LMG) and from long distances. A good map where it makes sense is Bomb: Forest.

With that said, I don't think it's really worth it. Tier 4 skills, especially the aced variant, should be strong and not so limited in effectiveness.

[Diawl]

I use it quite a bit. It ups the effectiveness of a lot of spray and pray weapons.

Essentially, you change up your playstyle when you use it. You can clear a room/area a lot faster with a high rate of fire & body expertise than with precise headshots.

Also using it with full auto DMRs is pretty crazy. Since you can aim for centre of mass and not worry so much about the low stability, you can really go to town on clusters of enemies. Also means you have essentially what amounts to a sniper rifle (with extra ammo) at ranges where it's hard to tag headshots.

[The Least Interesting Chibi...]

Originally posted by Dragonfly_Chaser:

Also using it with full auto DMRs is pretty crazy. Since you can aim for centre of mass and not worry so much about the low stability, you can really go to town on clusters of enemies. Also means you have essentially what amounts to a sniper rifle (with extra ammo) at ranges where it's hard to tag headshots.

Oh man. I miss (well not really) the days when BE Aced worked against Bulldozers. I used melt Dozers in seconds with it. AMR-16 DMR... see Dozer... pop into Full Auto for a few seconds... dead dozer. Even with the poor pick-up of DMRs back then it was so overpowered.

[UCEY]

I use a .50 rifle so my damage is about as high as it's gonna be

[Spanish Empire]

I would highly recommend it if you're going to use machineguns. Stability/accuracy stats are pretty bad and you're going to miss a lot of shots, so body expertise helps them greatly on Mayhem and above.

[TheUnchosen]

It works wonders with the Microgun and Minigun, as well as irredeemabingly inaccurate rifles like the Clarion. Aside from that, I still take it because it makes my life easier. I've got the worst accuracy known to man, and anything that helps with that fact is good. Oh, and also, the basic version is useless. You have to take the aced version or you might as well not take it at all.