platypus is copy/paste

[Thë Rëgülathör]

stats are IDENTICAL (besides ammo) to the nagant -.-

[So Impatient La]

Nagant is the only 290 damage rifle to be moddable for Crit builds, so that's a huge difference.

[Thë Rëgülathör]

Escrito originalmente por TSKM Labcat:

You do realise the guns have similar stats because they are to be equal in most ways, so that they are all usable, or at least buildable, to some extent. Before there were some clear winners, statwise, but now we have kind of a tier system, with damage numbers being the same on guns in the same tier (With compensations in other ends, et cetera.). It's one of the only way to practically and easily make all guns balanced.

yeah the nagant and platypus isn't similiar, it is the exact same, similiar stats are OK, identical stats are just lazy, especially when you consider how Almir said that having paid DLC + MT's will make them more "ambitious" and give us better quality of new content

[Labcat]

Escrito originalmente por Ser Hillman:

Nagant is the only 290 damage rifle to be moddable for Crit builds, so that's a huge difference.

If you can't mod that concealment value up to at least 15, you're not going to crit at all.

[Labcat]

Escrito originalmente por Thë Rëgülatör:

Escrito originalmente por TSKM Labcat:

You do realise the guns have similar stats because they are to be equal in most ways, so that they are all usable, or at least buildable, to some extent. Before there were some clear winners, statwise, but now we have kind of a tier system, with damage numbers being the same on guns in the same tier (With compensations in other ends, et cetera.). It's one of the only way to practically and easily make all guns balanced.

yeah the nagant and platypus isn't similiar, it is the exact same, similiar stats are OK, identical stats are just lazy, especially when you consider how Almir said that having paid DLC + MT's will make them more "ambitious" and give us better quality of new content

They are different in the sense described above. "The free version is slightly better by default and free - the paid version has more ways to be modded."
There's a huge difference there. From scratch, with only Iron Sights, the sniper is as good as any other sniper rifle, modded.

[So Impatient La]

I just want to say that even tho the Nagant and the Platypus might both share identical stats, the big major difference is the amount of mods and versatility available to them.

Nagant can go Silent Killer. Platypus can't.
Nagant can go crit if you know how to. Platypus can't.
And of course, Nagant is not free. Platypus is.

I don't see why one should make such a ruckus about this topic.

[ WraithGear]

even if the sniper was called the mosign, and was a carbon copy of the nagant, which it is not, its STILL a big deal because its FREE. if you have a nagant, then this free release wasent intended for you but to those who don't have the DLC's. it not changing your meta, but you better belive it changes the non DLC meta!!

[chris.boney]

it would of been nice to see a unique weapon. or at least a unique looking weapon. something that makes you go "oooh" "Look at That.."
But infact its just another sporting bolt action rifle.

no complaints.. just a bit un-inspired.. ;(
and still no semi-auto sniper rifle.
(dmr's aside). :(

[Labcat]

Escrito originalmente por Ser Hillman:

I just want to say that even tho the Nagant and the Platypus might both share identical stats, the big major difference is the amount of mods and versatility available to them.

Nagant can go Silent Killer. Platypus can't.
Nagant can go crit if you know how to. Platypus can't.
And of course, Nagant is not free. Platypus is.

I don't see why one should make such a ruckus about this topic.

To stray a bit from the original topic.
Lebensauger can pull of 210.6 damage with 30% crit if you use Silent Killer.
Are you saying Nagant can beat that? I just went Infamous, so I'm having trouble checking specifically a Concealment Nagant, but I doubt it can make for concealment values above 10.
With silencer, max is 7, and without, max is 9.
With nine concealment, counting from a maxed Low Blow, you get 9% crit. (With 7 concealment value on the gun you don't get any crit, because you get 43 detection rating.) That's not very good, compared to Lebensauger, even with eventually more damage.

Escrito originalmente por chris.boney:

no complaints.. just a bit un-inspired.. ;(
and still no semi-auto sniper rifle.
(dmr's asside). :(

Perhaps not for free, but the Lebensauger is semi-automatic. (And the M308 of course.)

[ WraithGear]

i think he was saying that the nagant is the only sniper in its class that can crit. the lebensauger is in a lower teir with the rattle snake.

[So Impatient La]

Escrito originalmente por TSKM Labcat:

Escrito originalmente por Ser Hillman:

I just want to say that even tho the Nagant and the Platypus might both share identical stats, the big major difference is the amount of mods and versatility available to them.

Nagant can go Silent Killer. Platypus can't.
Nagant can go crit if you know how to. Platypus can't.
And of course, Nagant is not free. Platypus is.

I don't see why one should make such a ruckus about this topic.

To stray a bit from the original topic.
Lebensauger can pull of 210.6 damage with 30% crit if you use Silent Killer.
Are you saying Nagant can beat that? I just went Infamous, so I'm having trouble checking specifically a Concealment Nagant, but I doubt it can make for concealment values above 10.
With silencer, max is 7, and without, max is 9.
With nine concealment, counting from a maxed Low Blow, you get 9% crit. That's not very good, compared to Lebensauger, even with eventually more damage.

Since PD2skill is not updated with the Weapon Rebalance, i dont think I have solid evidence to prove anything yet, but Nagant used to be viable for a Crit build.

http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/fROKJEGbCa:ibcdea:pR8::w63-11-13-22-8:s11:a1

[Labcat]

Escrito originalmente por  WraithGear:

i think he was saying that the nagant is the only sniper in its class that can crit. the lebensauger is in a lower teir with the rattle snake.

Reconsider the fact that Lebensauger can sport 30% crit, with the penetration from all the Silencer skills, whereas Nagant can crit if you don't go with a silencer build. Effectively, you get 80 damage-ésque, but it's single fire, bolt action, half-magged, non-penetrating, with 1/3 of the crit chance of the lebensauger, as well as your ammosupply being kind of halved. (25 contra 40)

Escrito originalmente por Ser Hillman:

Since PD2skill is not updated with the Weapon Rebalance, i dont think I have solid evidence to prove anything yet, but Nagant used to be viable for a Crit build.

Yeah, I'm just looking this up in the game. As in right now.

[Diawl]

It's the modding that really splits the difference- you can't silence the platypus for example, and the nagant can be modded to 14 concealment (which is, meh, but you can do crits with that). For a community sniper rifle, I think it's good. It's certainly not changing the playing field for people who have sniper rifle packs. But for other people I'm happy that more people are able to use that playstyle. Also makes me hopeful we'll see some skills or perks in the future that cover use of LMGs and sniper rifles now that we have community ones.

[ WraithGear]

i didnt say it was a good choice :3
obviously the lebensauger is better, but that dosent change the fact that the nagant 'can' crit and the platypuss can't

i think that the lebensauger is actully too powerfull and needs to be nerfed, lower the damage because it fires fast enough to not really hurt to have to shoot certain enemies 2x.

[Labcat]

Escrito originalmente por Dragonfly_Chaser:

It's the modding that really splits the difference- you can't silence the platypus for example, and the nagant can be modded to 10 concealment (which is, meh, but you can do (18%) crits with that). For a community sniper rifle, I think it's good. It's certainly not changing the playing field for people who have sniper rifle packs. But for other people I'm happy that more people are able to use that playstyle. Also makes me hopeful we'll see some skills or perks in the future that cover use of LMGs and sniper rifles now that we have community ones.

Corrected.

Escrito originalmente por  WraithGear:

i didnt say it was a good choice :3
obviously the lebensauger is better, but that dosent change the fact that the nagant 'can' crit and the platypuss can't

i think that the lebensauger is actully too powerfull and needs to be nerfed, lower the damage because it fires fast enough to not really hurt to have to shoot certain enemies 2x.

It's not too powerful, as it need two shots to kill specials on DW. That makes it ammo consuming, and in regards to all the other weapons, and in regards of it being a sniper rifle, balanced.

[So Impatient La]

Escrito originalmente por  WraithGear:

i didnt say it was a good choice :3
obviously the lebensauger is better, but that dosent change the fact that the nagant 'can' crit and the platypuss can't

i think that the lebensauger is actully too powerfull and needs to be nerfed, lower the damage because it fires fast enough to not really hurt to have to shoot certain enemies 2x.

It has god awful reload.

Repeater is faster in that sense, and it has more total ammo.
The Rattlesnake has slower fire rate but rather fast mag reload.

I think they are all well-balanced.