Community LMG - QBB-95(Type95 LMG)

[Rex]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Machine_gun_Type95.jpg
(but if we only get a bipod... DAM YOU OVERKILL!)

Added:
The QBB-95 is NOT and assault rifle, The assault rifle variant is called a QBZ-95!

Because the QBB-95 is a Bullpup** it would have added Accuracy and Stability due to the longer barrel starting from the stock of the gun.
(**A bullpup if you are unfamiliar is a style of gun where the ammo and barrel start near the back of the gun itself (IE. Clarion, Queens W. ECT...))

[Rex]

Originalmente postado por Bugjuice:

Let's have something slightly bigger, community MMG, m240b please.

The recoil of that type of gun would be UN-BEARABLE well unless you where on the ground or using a stand but that would lock you into fire...

Originalmente postado por Nirvash:

Originalmente postado por Max:

Payday logic, you know that. Just look at the poor M308

I think they should add a mod to the M308 that rebalances it into a shield piercing weapon like the Leb.

So, "armor piercing bullets" or something. +damage, +pierce, -ammo pool, something like that.

as I have said in past converations with people who say just take away some more ammo...
Taking away our bullets for damage is NOT balance! it makes no sence!

Originalmente postado por Malidictus:

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

You are wrong...
The QBZ-95 is an Assult rifle the QBB-95 IS an LMG variant.
*NERDING!*

I like the gamey aspects of Payday 2, and would not like to completely break weapon class design unless we choose to do it across the entire class. If we're talking LMG which doesn't slow you down, then that should apply to all of them. Because frankly, they're not powerful enough to slow you down by as much.

Yes you do have a point, but having a Type-95 would make more sence over a heavily modded CAR4... payday2 needs more guns that are both FUN and USEFUL not just USEFUL.
also it doesnt need to have a 0% reduction... mabey just a 10% or 15% for balance reasons

[LuckyPocketos]

Machine gun made in china, hence enough mass production such that everyone can get 1 :P

[Max]

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

Originalmente postado por ProdigyGamer™:

Where did you see that?

http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/Greta
"Greta's rifle, as it appeared in the Web Series, is apparently a Mk 12 SPR, which is essentially a semi-automatic DMR variant of the CAR-4/M4A1. Greta's rifle is dressed up to look somewhat like a baseline M4A1, which includes a M4 stock, 30-round STANAG magazine and an A.R.M.S. S.I.R. AR-15 railed handguard."

Still SR25 to me. Overkill use BBs to model their gun you know?

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

Originalmente postado por Max:

Payday logic, you know that. Just look at the poor M308

My M308 is beast! and when you get used to it you get used to every single DMR modded gun too!

Can't shoot through shield. Useless. SCAR-H (Eagle Heavy) is better than that.



Also OP, we already have a china drill. I don't want another broken equipment

[Rex]

Originalmente postado por Max:

Also OP, we already have a china drill. I don't want another broken equipment

Ive been reading into it and wrong...
"China also introduced greatly improved ammunition for it. The new DBP10 5.8mm round has a non-corrosive primer, clean burning propellant and a heavier bullet with better penetration of armor and other hard substances." (This would lead to less breaking and jamming)

http://www.network54.com/Forum/242808/thread/1342033136/last-1342033136/China+Switches+To+The+Good+Stuff

[Malidictus]

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

Yes you do have a point, but having a Type-95 would make more sence over a heavily modded CAR4... payday2 needs more guns that are both FUN and USEFUL not just USEFUL.

Yeah, but what you're suggesting belongs in the Assault Rifle category with an optional Drum Mag. We have a precious few LMGs, they employ fairly unique mechanics and behave very differently from other guns. I personallt feel it would be a shame to add a new one after... Probably close to a year and have it be less of an LMG, more of a large-magazine AR. There are plenty of proper machineguns out there that we can model without resoirting to modded other weapons.

I've had three LMGs since I started playing this game for real, then a mere one other one with the Historical Pack. I'd rather like to see another proper machinegun. Sure, it doesn't (and probably shouldn't) act exactly like all of the others, but if that's the case then I'd rather it acted nothing like any other gun currently in the game.

[Rex]

@Malidictus, This has nothing to do with what you just said ill talk about this in a min...
This is just about the Car4 and the QBZ series are almost identical in nature!
The CAR4 if what you say is correct, you can make an LMG, an AR and a DMR. the QBZ does the same... QBZ is the AR, QBB the LMG and QBU the DMR.

So im saying here that this whole gun thing can be thrown in as a new Assault DLC instead of this (Possibly) free LMG





I recommend the reading of these guns because these can be a massive change in the META of payday2 if done correctly!
List of Rifles,
QBZ(AR): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95
QBB(LMG): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBB-95
QBU(DMR): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBU-88

Originalmente postado por Malidictus:

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

Yes you do have a point, but having a Type-95 would make more sence over a heavily modded CAR4... payday2 needs more guns that are both FUN and USEFUL not just USEFUL.

Yeah, but what you're suggesting belongs in the Assault Rifle category with an optional Drum Mag. We have a precious few LMGs, they employ fairly unique mechanics and behave very differently from other guns. I personallt feel it would be a shame to add a new one after... Probably close to a year and have it be less of an LMG, more of a large-magazine AR. There are plenty of proper machineguns out there that we can model without resoirting to modded other weapons.

I've had three LMGs since I started playing this game for real, then a mere one other one with the Historical Pack. I'd rather like to see another proper machinegun. Sure, it doesn't (and probably shouldn't) act exactly like all of the others, but if that's the case then I'd rather it acted nothing like any other gun currently in the game.

Yes you do have a point most LMGs are more of the MG side of the gun world and yes having bigger guns would make you feel better in payday2, but if we follow what overkill do with the guns on PAYDAY2 we are most likely going to have another heavy but somehow have massive recoil and no AP LMG* (AND THATS NO NONSENSICAL!)

*when I say AP not Sniper AP I mean like can shoot thu Tans armor AP

[Rex]

Dont need to talk about this MSG :3
If a Mod or something could jump in with there opinion I would be grateful!
I want to know how people with no Bias feel about having another CAR4 modifiable gun in payday2?

[Akutare]

Speaking of community weapon suggestions, I would still love to see a China Lake as the community grenade launcher, since it would fit perfectly as an in-between of the GL40 and the Piglet.

[Silberfuchs]

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

Originalmente postado por Malidictus:

That's not a machinegun. That's a rifle with a drum mag. I'd personally be interested in an actual machinegun. People have been suggesting the M60 a lot so sure - why not. There are others, as well, but I'd like something more than just a rifle mod for a bigger magazine.

You are wrong...
The QBZ-95 is an Assult rifle the QBB-95 IS an LMG variant.
*NERDING!*

Yeah, but with weapons you never have a clear, universally applicable classification. There is no such thing as international guidelines to what a thing is and what is not. There is no clear line between a rifle and a carbine, an SMG and a PDW and so on. In the GDR the AK-74 was officially classified as SMG.

The QBB-95 is an LMG because it's defined as one by the Chinese army, who use it as such. But it's only a HBAR, a heavy barrel assault rifle. There are such things for the L85A1, Steyr AUG, G36 and so on, and the RPK actually is one, too. They are being used as LMGs, so you can call them LMG, but from a technical point of view they are assault rifles and have little in common with "real" LMGs. The main trademark of those having been a belt feeding system.

[Malidictus]

I'm hoping it's not "another Minigun," personally. We've had enough of fake-high-stat guns with riddiculous drawbacks which make them not worth using in the long run. Indeed, when it comes to different ways to do machineguns while still remain true to the overall class, I already have a couple of theoretical constructs - the slow-firing, hard-hitting machinegun and the lighter Minigun. I can speak from experience that both of them work reasonably well in practice, though the lighter Minigun is actually rather underpowered, I'm starting to realise. I balanced those guns on base stats but didn't account for how LMGs can get extra damage and accuracy from mods while the Minigun can't really do that.

Point is, there's plenty of room left for LMGs which behave like LMGs but aren't just reskins of guns already in the game. You don't need to copy my designs, obviously, but there's room to experiment.

[Alucard †]

actualy
Ultimax 100
would be a lot better choice for a community LMG
http://thestuntproduction.com/news/wp-content/gallery/weapons-rifles-and-machineguns/ultimax-100-para.jpg

[Rex]

Originalmente postado por Crusader Prime:

actualy
Ultimax 100
would be a lot better choice for a community LMG
http://thestuntproduction.com/news/wp-content/gallery/weapons-rifles-and-machineguns/ultimax-100-para.jpg

Seems interesting but well known I dont think... When I gun isnt as well know I think devs get to mess with its stats more and most likely just ♥♥♥♥ it up.

[Alucard †]

Originalmente postado por T Rex?:

Originalmente postado por Crusader Prime:

actualy
Ultimax 100
would be a lot better choice for a community LMG
http://thestuntproduction.com/news/wp-content/gallery/weapons-rifles-and-machineguns/ultimax-100-para.jpg

Seems interesting but well known I dont think... When I gun isnt as well know I think devs get to mess with its stats more and most likely just ♥♥♥♥ it up.

its well known from Far Cry series

EDIT: and they ♥♥♥♥ up the stats regardless if gun is know or not
not a single gun in Payday 2 has realistic stats

also we have couple not popular weapons in PD2 so..

[Rex]

Originalmente postado por Malidictus:

Point is, there's plenty of room left for LMGs which behave like LMGs but aren't just reskins of guns already in the game. You don't need to copy my designs, obviously, but there's room to experiment.

When you say reskins do you mean to say we have this gun in game sort of re-skin or something else?
also the CAR and AK guns are 30% of the total guns Im sure.

[Terminator01]

Originalmente postado por Malidictus:

That's not a machinegun. That's a rifle with a drum mag. I'd personally be interested in an actual machinegun. People have been suggesting the M60 a lot so sure - why not. There are others, as well, but I'd like something more than just a rifle mod for a bigger magazine.

Why are your even in weapon discussion threads if you´ve told yourself that you have no idea about it?

With your logic, the RPK wouldn´t also be an LMG, because it´s basically an AK-Rifle with a longer barrel and bigger magazine. But it is classified as an LMG. Same with the QBZ-95. It has also family parts, that fits some weapon classes:

QBZ-95: Default Assault Rifle

QBZ-95B: Carbine Version

QBB-95: LMG Version



If you have no idea about the subjects, don´t join the discussions. And don´t even open threads about it. That´s embarrassing to read through this nonsense textwalls...