Why are DLC weapons locked by level?

[Very Good, Very Evil]

I just spent $5 on the sniper pack just to find out I can't use the .50 Cal until I'm a 65? The hell? I bought the pack why don't I have access to that stuff. Nowhere on the DLC page does it say it requires a certain level. That's just what?

I like the game and all but if I pay real money for DLC, I should have access to everything right away. The fact that I have to spend real money, then spend in game money and hit a certain level to get access to it...that's just wrong and is totally making me not want to purchase anything else for this game. The store page for the DLC should at least outline this stuff.

/rant

[Jammy]

Publicado originalmente por Bad News Barrett:

Publicado originalmente por Governor Mary:

Be it a mappack, a little add-on or a weapon pack, It's a product, that costs money, therefore researching other sources wouldn't hurt.

I agree with you 100% but the cost of something and what is advertised most definitely has an impact on how much research should be done. Would you do the same amount of research over a pack of gum and a car you were thinking about buying? Probably not.

I did what I felt like was a proper amount of research. I looked a video of all the guns in action and thought "Hey that one looks nice. Those vantage points are cool" and I looked at the store page "Okay, $5. 3 Guns. Everything else is unlocked through the new achievements. Awesome, I'm down. It's only $5 anyways".

I can't believe this thread blew up this much. It's a bit overwhelming and it's preventing me from playing some more 99 Spirits damn it! >_>

We can't sway you from your opinion, but for some bizarre reason I'm starting to agree with you.

[Lucifer]

DLC for many games have had level locked content. DLCs for Fallout: New Vegas are a good example.... or Skyrim... pretty much almost every DLC I've gotten for a level-based game some of the content was level locked. Sure, you could jump right into Lonely Road on F: NV but you would probably die (not to mention you'd lack the skills to use most of the options). They all had some content you could use early (crafting recipes or weapons). I've never had an issue with the weapons being level locked here (and it's been that way since the first DLC).

[Very Good, Very Evil]

Publicado originalmente por Cotton Eye Joe:

Publicado originalmente por Bad News Barrett:

Name another Pay to Play game that locks you out of weapons/skins you can purchase as DLC if you don't meet a certain level without warning you on the store page. Please do tell. Someone mentioned battlefield earlier in this thread. Just went to the origin store page for BF4 Second Assault, that even mentions the weapons require their own unlocks. EA can even give info like this. Bloody EA.

You're not buying skins. You're paying for the access rights to them, not immediate unlocks, not immediate access. It honestly doesn't matter if others tell you about things needing unlocked, the fact is that it should be common sense to assume that additional content adheres to the standards set in game, ie unlocking them and buying them with in game money.

The only reason things like that ever get listed to begin with is basically for people who are too slow to figure it out and want to ♥♥♥♥♥ because something adheres to the same standards already set in the game to begin with and serves to make it worse by them expecting their hands to be held rather than using their own brainpower to figure what would be reasonably done with said content. Hell, even if you figured wrong pretty much any reasonable person would go "oh it's like every other weapon in the game ever, time to level up"

Cutting you off right away. The store page states you need to get the achievements to unlock said masks/materials. That's fine. They didn't hide that info.

Publicado originalmente por vytarrus:

Publicado originalmente por Bad News Barrett:

What you just listed are big no **** statements.

For you - they are. For Big Thick Joe, whose IQ is lower than his age, it's not. And some redicilous lawsuits show that either USA has a lot of them, or wants cultivate a lot of them. Anyway, for me "This weapons are available as any other weapon in a game" is no ♥♥♥♥ statement too. Srsly, I just knew when I bought first pack. What makes you better than Big Thick Joe and why should devs write something that you want?

I really just think it's only fair for a a dev to mention if you have access to what you buy right away or not. I'm not asking for the source code & the telephone number of some random intern that's working there. You should know if you have access to what you're buying or not, that's all.

Publicado originalmente por Governor Mary:

Publicado originalmente por Bad News Barrett:

I agree with you 100% but the cost of something and what is advertised most definitely has an impact on how much research should be done. Would you do the same amount of research over a pack of gum and a car you were thinking about buying? Probably not.

I did what I felt like was a proper amount of research. I looked a video of all the guns in action and thought "Hey that one looks nice. Those vantage points are cool" and I looked at the store page "Okay, $5. 3 Guns. Everything else is unlocked through the new achievements. Awesome, I'm down. It's only $5 anyways".

I can't believe this thread blew up this much. It's a bit overwhelming and it's preventing me from playing some more 99 Spirits damn it! >_>

We can't sway you from your opinion, but for some bizarre reason I'm starting to agree with you.

Feel free to agree or disagree with me. I knew I was throwing myself into a impossible to win fight. Of course people on the forums for a game will defend it heavily & that's understandable, people love their Payday. I just felt like giving my thoughts on why I felt like I got burned buying some DLC. I'm not trying to start some Payday Hate Train. I've given OK quite a few compliments on how they handle DLC in this thread even. It was $5, I'm not going to frustrate/stress myself over it.

[Mutant1988]

They didn't hide any information. They just didn't see fit to spell out precisely how the DLC didn't work, because there is no reason for consumers to assume that they would work any different from the base content.

Even then, information for how it works exactly can be easily found. You neglected to do so-That's a failure of research on your part.

The topic blew up the way it has solely because you refuse to concede that you should and could have researched your purchase better, instead of assuming it worked in a way that was in no way indicated.

[TheRealVelocir™]

should of got it in steam sale friend

[Solo Queue Pixy]

The fiddy-cal's level restriction exists to protect others and their ammo bags from inexperienced users. You're not ready for the Thanatos until you're more experienced and higher-leveled.

With a Thanatos, you're going to be reliant on your secondary. However, your pistols are inadequate because you don't have the skill points invested into it. Your personal ammo supply is inadequate because you don't have the skill points invested into that either. You may not have even learned good ammo conservation practices, which are absolutely vital for keeping yourself stocked without burning through the team's ammo supplies.

You're being carried at VHard/Overkill, where the R93 you unlocked back at level 35 wrecks anything except Bulldozers in a single headshot. Shields grow on trees. Bulldozers don't. Bringing the doomsday howitzer just makes you a liability.

[Retrah]

I just love how everyone who isn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how it's P2W ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about how it's not.

[xingdi]

dlc-day

[Emily Howard]

At least the sniper DLC makes sense. You don't need a Thanatos on low difficulties. As long as someone gets not carried he will often play on normal to very hard (where the other 2 snipers fit better and the rattlesnake is available when you hit lvl 15).
The lmg DLC provides 3 weapons and are already advertised as really big guns ("Bain doesn't want some noob to walk into a bank and start spraying") but everybody can start with thr RPK and can unlock the other.
Weapons from the Transport DLC are always available, Gages weapon pack 1 weapons I think, too.
And i like the idea we have weapons that has a higher unlock level than the Deagle. it was the last weapon you can unlock before the newer weapons.
Maybe Overkill should give us the shortcut DLC that sets all weapons, every armor to lvl 0. It lowers the costs of cosmetic items and weapon mods to 0$ and you can buy all contracts regardless of difficulty (so lvl 0 can buy DW heists). But what do we have to do with the payday card drops...? we cut out the feature and give everyone every item...is 500 per item enough?
Either Overkill is evil and we have to pay for that DLC (6.66$ would be a good price!) or it is a free cool update and part of a heist where we infiltrate Bains hideout so he cant stop us from taking the weapon we want to. WE DID PAY FOR PAYDAY 2 BUT WE DONT HAVE INSTAACCESS TO EVERYTHING!!!!oneeleven!

[Takosheen]

If you think about it, it gives you more playable time for payday 2, because now, you have an actual goal.

[Setanta]

It should have been a free relase, but because people are willing to pay for DLC like this, they'll keeping making it and selling it.

[timmd182]

You failed to notice that they reveal these dlcs days before and had you done the slightest bit of research or thought about it you would have probably come to the conclusion that this dlc will work like any others and like the base game. As for the reason the masks were mentioned on the store page as being locked and not the guns is because the masks are earned by completing an acievement not by reeaching a certain level. Its common knowledge that you need to be certain levels to use certain guns in this game even dlc ones.

if they gave you access right away wed have level 1 people using lmgs and 50 cal rifles, kinda defeats the purpose of playing the game ifr you just got what you wanted right away. You keep claiming that you are in the right here and that u shouldnt need to do more research. but clearly you arent in the right when so many people are telling you the exact same thing especially in steam forums where people just flame each other, and you were the one who ASSUMED this dlc would be different than all other dlcs and the base game, you assumed that everything about every game is put on the store page on steam. you cant explain everything about a game in one page.

most if not all other people were able to figure out that the dlcs behave exactly the same as the base game and had you put any real effort into researching this you would have had all the information rifght on overkills page. the fact that you think its so rediculous that store pages dont tell you every little detail shows that your lazy and want everything handed to you. this isnt how the game works so you have 2 options sit here keep complaining that you got ripped off and everyone else is just ganging up on you. or admit you should of done the research or at lerast put some deductive reasoning behind your purchase and go play the game and unlock the damn gun

[Brovah]

So that level 0s can't run arounds with lmgs and thanatos and rek everything, and yeah pretty sure it says either on the weapons discription or on the right of the weapon preview on the sniper pack page.

[Biohog]

Publicado originalmente por Lucifer:

The only complaint I have about level limits on weapons is after gaining an Infamy level. I think they should treat I-00 the same as 0-100 and II-60 as 0-260. Not that is a huge issue, since you regain levels quickly after going Infamous and even without the old skills I've had no issues with the missions, just think it's an annoyance that I have to wait to use the weapons I want again...

This would be nice. It's a bit of a ballache to get that level 75 machinegun unlocked again.

[Velkrai]

Publicado originalmente por Mutant1988:

Publicado originalmente por Bad News Barrett:

I like the game and all but if I pay real money for DLC, I should have access to everything right away. The fact that I have to spend real money, then spend in game money and hit a certain level to get access to it...that's just wrong and is totally making me not want to purchase anything else for this game. The store page for the DLC should at least outline this stuff.

/rant :exas:

Why exactly?

You bought the game and were just fine with playing it to unlock things. Why should the DLC be different?

Why is the concept of having to play the game to access the content in it such an outrageous idea?

when the games "progression" is an exponential grind of nonfunness past level 65 or so