Reinfeld 880 vs Raven

[Pawnstar]

So I'm like a major fan of the Reinfeld 880, and long story cut short, it's my only primary weapon so far. I am still deciding whether to get the shotgun DLC, so here's where you guys come in.

Raven is the only logical alternative for the Reinfeld, so let's ignore Street Sweeper and M1014. Ignoring the shotgun shells upgrade, which shotgun performs better overall?

This is a screenshot of my current Reinfeld modification.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=283355809

I don't really care about damage tables and drop-off damage graphs, so don't use any of those to support your opinion. I have a focus on damage and accuracy, and I can forgo stability. The shotgun is meant for loud situations, and I'm built to hold the line. Secondary is a Deagle, so don't worry about not being able to deal with snipers.

What are your opinions? Reinfeld or Raven?

[DeflatedPufferfish]

I prefer the Raven. Same damage as the Reinfeld, but 8 more rounds in the magazine.

[SgtAvalanche]

Why would you focus on accuracy on a shotgun

It's a shotgun

[Bindal]

Both have their advantages over the other.
Reinbeck has more ammo total and can get accuracy noticably higher, which is especially useful if you want to use slugs.
Raven has larger magazine and is very concealable, even being able to get equal to the CAR-4 and even combat-focused, it's still with a good concealment-rate. (With the combat-build Raven instead of my CAR-4, I get only 10 more detection risk, being at 13. I still get only 35 with the normal ballistic vest - that's insanely low for the weapon and armor you're carrying)

[Diawl]

I would also say that out of all the weapons in payday 2, the Reinfield is only second to the RPK for the primary weapons I use least. Because, like people said, you can switch it out for the Locomotive, which is a secondary, does higher base damage, and you can mod it to the same accuracy/stability/magazine maxes while only sacrificing 18 rounds. 'Course it's all subjective and whatever works best for you, works best for you. I certainly don't care for 'Car-4 or kick' type players.
Out of the shotgun DLC, I'm actually enjoying the M1014 the most, because it's basically a straight upgrade from the saiga, if you're not worried about having full auto fire. Hits fast and pretty hard and it's probably the only shotgun that makes the slug and he ammo types viable as it has such a large ammo pool.

[Pawnstar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sharpshooter 200:

Why would you focus on accuracy on a shotgun

It's a shotgun

Because I don't want a loco-shotgun for a primary where I have to be right in their faces to damage them.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bindal:

Both have their advantages over the other.
Reinbeck has more ammo total and can get accuracy noticably higher, which is especially useful if you want to use slugs.
Raven has larger magazine and is very concealable, even being able to get equal to the CAR-4 and even combat-focused, it's still with a good concealment-rate. (With the combat-build Raven instead of my CAR-4, I get only 10 more detection risk, being at 13. I still get only 35 with the normal ballistic vest - that's insanely low for the weapon and armor you're carrying)

I came to realize that Raven is actually the answer for Enforcers who wish to stealth. It does work out charmingly.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ace5762:

'Car-4 or kick'

You serious? LOL! If someone were to tell that to me, I would tell them "Commando or GTFO".

[Bindal]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 伝説の弾幕 TITAN: SUCK IT:

I came to realize that Raven is actually the answer for Enforcers who wish to stealth. It does work out charmingly.

Anyone, actually. As said, it can go up to 28 concealment, which is incredible high (assuming you only add the short barrel and flip sights). For most people, it's at least a good alternative if they don't have an almost fully modded CAR-4 but want to go in (or prefer a CQC-weapon if stealth fails in a job which benefits CQC).
For Enforcers, it's probably the go-to-weapon if they are specced for shotguns, yeah.

[Sandroff]

To begin with, this:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sharpshooter 200:

Why would you focus on accuracy on a shotgun

It's a shotgun

(U can find serveral discussions about this)

Also I think scopes on shotguns are stupid, but thats my opinion.

And I like the Loco above all shotguns.

If i have to choose between the Reinfield and Raven, I would go for Raven.
Purely based on the looks, because I don't like the stats/performonce/handeling
at all of both shotguns. When not playing at DW I would reconsidder taking a look
at the M1014.

And btw, I like the names of your guns ^^

[Diawl]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 伝説の弾幕 TITAN: SUCK IT:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ace5762:

'Car-4 or kick'

You serious? LOL! If someone were to tell that to me, I would tell them "Commando or GTFO".

It happens, you know, with some strange people who don't understand that having a wide variety of weapon types in a team is the best way to complete a heist loud.
But anyway, yeah, don't dismiss the m1014 out of hand for loud heists just because of the low damage, because what most people didn't notice in the latest update is that they readjusted how knockdown works for ranged weapons, and shotguns take the lion's share for knockdown. I go for headshot kills with m1014, but in the case that enemies don't die in one hit, they generally get knocked over backward leading to an easy follow up or melee kill. Add that to only the mosconi having a faster fire rate for shotguns, and it's really good for crowd control.
The Raven is powerful and tactical, but for some situations it just fires too slowly.

[Pawnstar]

Yeah the knockdown is very common if you aim for the head or upper chest with the shotguns. Just that automatic shotguns lack the "oomph" when you fire. Personal preference, maybe, but I've decided to stick with the Reinfeld and avoid this DLC, thanks all who contributed.

[Thermal Lance]

Yeah, and if you're specced entirely on shotguns... I did a few test and really accuracy is a drawback now an advantage.Since no matter the number of pellets that hits it does the same damage. Going toward 0 acc to increase the spread is the way to go for quick room clearing once overkill has been activated.

[Pawnstar]

That would work well with M1014 due to the faster firing rate. The number of pallets coming out of the Reinfeld is not enough to cover the entire room, right? With the 1shot/second rate, you might not catch the moving targets.

[Modest Mauser]

I use the Reinfeld with the pistol grip that gives the factory rails and sight bead, which for me at least, makes it easier to hipfire against multiple targets in rapid succession and more accurately. While I like the Raven, and especially the longer ammo tube(s), the boxy tac rails are obstructive. I don't know how you outfit your Reinfeld but just figured I'd throw this out there.

[Gunsmith Noob]

Loco master Race. Though i really like how the Raven does its job. But,if you are going to buy the Dlc just for this shotgun,IMHO stick to the reinfield

[Unplanned_Organism]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Megadog14:

I prefer the Raven.

I Win.

[leichenteil]

Think it depends on the purpose.
You can mod the Raven in a lot of ways.
Don't know right now which setup I had, but you can mod the Raven in a way that it's a better close combat Mosconi.
With a lot larger mag, same dmg (119 with enforcer skills), lower accuracy and some more total bullets.