Deathwish Tips.

[Tenndex]

Hello.

I'm thinking about starting to play some Deathwish games, just asking for a few tips and pointers before i start. I already know a few things such as

- Taking cover whenever possible.

- Only killing cops which need killing, such as not aiming out a window on Bank Heist to shoot cops across the street.

- Conserving ammo and making sure your loadout has no weak points.

- Sticking together and playing as a team.

- Don't stay out in the open unless you have a deathwish :)

- Most games are stealthed when possible,

There are some things that i'm curious about. Such as

- Is it better to wear an CTV or Two-Piece Suit without any points put into dodge bonus.

- Is playing as a MM/Tech a good idea, i know that Inspire is a game saver.

- How should one approch their first Deathwish loud mission such as Rats or Watchdogs.

Feel free to leave any tips/advice, thank you.

Also, I'm currently level 1-90 and playing as a Mastermind/Technician with C4 and Inspire aced.

[DeflatedPufferfish]

You've got all the basic tips. As for your questions

- IMO it depends on whether youre running around or staying put. Suit for running, armor for camping. One of the first Ghosts skills increases dodge when you run, so i recommend getting that.
- MM with Inspire is always good. Tech is paired best with enforcer IMO but youre fine as a MM/tech.
- For Watchdogs, everyone gets 1 bag and hide in the back room that you pick open. If the truck goes there great, if not wait until the assault is over and run. Hopefully you make it to teh car, but if you dont wanna risk it wait for the heli. For day 2, climb up the ladder outside the warehouse and camp on the ledge there.

[Saint Prophet]

Personally my crew uses MM/Enforcer and Techforcers. The MM sits back w/ a .50 and kills specials while the techforcers shot the smaller stuff. Techforcers use the ICTV and the MMs use the light ballistic. As MM you will want med bags so best to leave c4 to techforcers. Rats is easy just camp the upper room your first time under the table as you get more comfortable you will eventually move around in the house. Also take your time waiting out the assault instead of rushing to the escape can save you. This is just my opinion other will have theirs.

[FunGus]

IMO Dodge works great when your the only one using it lol
Your dodge score plus the chance of enemies hitting your allies, just sprint around shooting your uzi and you end up with the most health at the end of the game. Even if everyone else is using max tank armor.

[[HdF] Almut Grete]

If your crew is around 80+ tech/forcer heavy and you brought your MM, you might find that doing missions loud (bringing 1 or 2 sniperrifles for the shields) and camping down in a tight spot, is much more easy then you think.
Go for good dmg-to-capacity weapons like the car4, check that everyone can bring something usefull and needed e.g. 2 bags, c4, saw, feedback ecm and keep to the things you listed.
If you don´t run around like a bunny its not that hard actually.

E.G. When The Big Bank came out we had problems doing it on stealth. We weren´t sure about the rnd events or pager/guardnumbers, lag made the lasers a pain and so on ...
First DW finish was with thermite, roof escape and as loud as possible.

For rats: Have everyone get 3 Mats and start the cokking asap. Try to find at least 2 plank stacks and go upside to hide in the smal room. Plank that room shut, wait and cook (avoid granades to not destroy your planks). When you got 3 bags wait for the car to arrive, the assault to end and leave. The other 2 maps are easy, trade (steal back if you like) and kill all (from long range if you like).

Edit: one more tipp - get as many hostages as possible and keep them save, but have 3ish cablets still on your team if the mission drags on to other areas where you might get other civs

[Tenndex]

Originally posted by HdF Almut Grete:

If your crew is around 80+ tech/forcer heavy and you brought your MM, you might find that doing missions loud (bringing 1 or 2 sniperrifles for the shields) and camping down in a tight spot, is much more easy then you think.
Go for good dmg-to-capacity weapons like the car4, check that everyone can bring something usefull and needed e.g. 2 bags, c4, saw, feedback ecm and keep to the things you listed.
If you don´t run around like a bunny its not that hard actually.

E.G. When The Big Bank came out we had problems doing it on stealth. We weren´t sure about the rnd events or pager/guardnumbers, lag made the lasers a pain and so on ...
First DW finish was with thermite, roof escape and as loud as possible.

For rats: Have everyone get 3 Mats and start the cokking asap. Try to find at least 2 plank stacks and go upside to hide in the smal room. Plank that room shut, wait and cook (avoid granades to not destroy your planks). When you got 3 bags wait for the car to arrive, the assault to end and leave. The other 2 maps are easy, trade (steal back if you like) and kill all (from long range if you like).

Edit: one more tipp - get as many hostages as possible and keep them save, but have 3ish cablets still on your team if the mission drags on to other areas where you might get other civs

My crew consists of me and my level 70 friend as he is the only one who plays PD2 on a normal basis. So i'm restricted to public games.

[Styx|UnsyNZ]

Armor does you no good on death wish. Stick with a suit, and upgraded dodge bonuses if you can. It'll serve you much better. Also,

1. Thanatos thanatos thanatos thanatos
2. Loco with enforcer damage buff and 5 second damage boost (also enforcer)

[Ipa]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

[Tenndex]

Originally posted by OTSMr. Ipa:

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!

[Rook]

Originally posted by Styx|UnsyNZ:

Armor does you no good on death wish. Stick with a suit, and upgraded dodge bonuses if you can. It'll serve you much better. Also,

1. Thanatos thanatos thanatos thanatos
2. Loco with enforcer damage buff and 5 second damage boost (also enforcer)

Armour can do a lot of good. There are two styles to loud dw - dodge bonus or heavy armour camping during assaults. Techforcer armour (272 armour + 50% health + 1.7 seconds armour regen delay) can help ease you into armoured dw, but as a team I find it's best to have one techforcer dealing with regular cops, 2 MMEnf snipers/car4/saw/lmg (often with loco secondary) and a MMGhost sniper. 2/3 inspire players makes a huge difference as does having a couple snipers (thanatos for dozers and to oneshot shields without needing headshots, r93 for extra ammo, don't bother with the rattlesnake).

For your first loud dw maps try mallcrasher (set a couple fires, grenade the winestore, then hole up in the tshirt shop near the escape, wait for the assault to end before running to the escape) and four stores (hole up in an escape alleyway during assaults, it is often worth covering a ghost while they lockpick the big safe), they're still quite easy on dw loud. Nightclub too (stairway downstairs is a great hold out point if you're having issues, upstairs works decently too) and the basic bank jobs are easy to keep under control. DW loud does get much easier at lvl 90 when you can reach top tier in a couple trees with support skills like fasthands added as you can. If you can join a group of 2/3 people used to playing dw that also makes the step up a lot easier.

Check the weapon builds guide to make sure that your weapon choices will hold up on deathwish too, it makes a big difference between 2 bullets killing an enemy and 2 leaving it with 1 point of health.

[Tenndex]

Originally posted by Rook:

Originally posted by Styx|UnsyNZ:

Armor does you no good on death wish. Stick with a suit, and upgraded dodge bonuses if you can. It'll serve you much better. Also,

1. Thanatos thanatos thanatos thanatos
2. Loco with enforcer damage buff and 5 second damage boost (also enforcer)

Armour can do a lot of good. There are two styles to loud dw - dodge bonus or heavy armour camping during assaults. Techforcer armour (272 armour + 50% health + 1.7 seconds armour regen delay) can help ease you into armoured dw, but as a team I find it's best to have one techforcer dealing with regular cops, 2 MMEnf snipers/car4/saw/lmg (often with loco secondary) and a MMGhost sniper. 2/3 inspire players makes a huge difference as does having a couple snipers (thanatos for dozers and to oneshot shields without needing headshots, r93 for extra ammo, don't bother with the rattlesnake).

For your first loud dw maps try mallcrasher (set a couple fires, grenade the winestore, then hole up in the tshirt shop near the escape, wait for the assault to end before running to the escape) and four stores (hole up in an escape alleyway during assaults, it is often worth covering a ghost while they lockpick the big safe), they're still quite easy on dw loud. Nightclub too (stairway downstairs is a great hold out point if you're having issues, upstairs works decently too) and the basic bank jobs are easy to keep under control. DW loud does get much easier at lvl 90 when you can reach top tier in a couple trees with support skills like fasthands added as you can. If you can join a group of 2/3 people used to playing dw that also makes the step up a lot easier.

Check the weapon builds guide to make sure that your weapon choices will hold up on deathwish too, it makes a big difference between 2 bullets killing an enemy and 2 leaving it with 1 point of health.

I've already looked at those weapon builds are they are good, been using them for awhile. Thanks for the other advice.

[Rook]

Originally posted by Tenndex:

I've already looked at those weapon builds are they are good, been using them for awhile. Thanks for the other advice.

No worries. Any heist specific questions for tactics or what the deathwish changes are? 4 stores it is that no atms spawn so you actually have to do the safes to get the 15k, haven't noticed a mallcrasher difference actually

[Munchies]

All you know is wrong. Probably it's good for stealth but I don't play stealth so here are tips for playing loud.

Rule N1 - SCAR + LOCOMOTIVE only. With all the attachements for damage. You will not need accuracy nor stability. Allways go for damage.

Rule N2 - Always know the best camping spots and if you have to do anything do it between waves. Payday 2 has nothing to offer that could make you not stay in some tight corner. Absolutely nothing.

Rule N3 - ICTV and Bulletproof aced are a must. Don't even try playing without both because you will get downed from 1 or 2 hits.

and finally

Rule N4 - Never go for all bags or anything that gives you additional money or anything. Do the minimum needed to pass the mission. You will not get XP or Money from playing Death Wish. It is designed for players who allready have everything they need, you don't play Death Wish to get XP or money you play it to win. Never play a pro job on DW because you will die a lot.

With this knowlege you can do it. I have allready won about 60% of the heists only the stealth ones are left but I lost interest since I hate stealth and the levels are designed so stupid that it frustrates you a lot.

glhf

[Rook]

Originally posted by Grumpysaurus Rex:

All you know is wrong. Probably it's good for stealth but I don't play stealth so here are tips for playing loud.

Rule N1 - SCAR + LOCOMOTIVE only. With all the attachements for damage. You will not need accuracy nor stability. Allways go for damage.

Rule N2 - Always know the best camping spots and if you have to do anything do it between waves. Payday 2 has nothing to offer that could make you not stay in some tight corner. Absolutely nothing.

Rule N3 - ICTV and Bulletproof aced are a must. Don't even try playing without both because you will get downed from 1 or 2 hits.

and finally

Rule N4 - Never go for all bags or anything that gives you additional money or anything. Do the minimum needed to pass the mission. You will not get XP or Money from playing Death Wish. It is designed for players who allready have everything they need, you don't play Death Wish to get XP or money you play it to win. Never play a pro job on DW because you will die a lot.

With this knowlege you can do it. I have allready won about 60% of the heists only the stealth ones are left but I lost interest since I hate stealth and the levels are designed so stupid that it frustrates you a lot.

glhf

Some problematic advice in there to be honest mate. You can run deathwish pro heists like rats and firestarter regularly if you take your time and the group is organised enough (plus used to playing dw heists)
SCAR and maxed damage aren't that vital? A mix of a snipers, KSP and car4 usually carry the day nicely (although fully loaded aced players often like AMCAR). Accuracy is still very useful, damage just needs to hit certain numbers

N2 - yes for heavy louds camping is definitely king. Dodge build approaches are different though

N3 - Techforcer like that can make entering DW easier, but it can also teach some bad habits. Try to avoid getting hit instead and have inspire players around to lift if you do go down. I'd prefer to have 3 inspire ace players with me than 3 bulletproof ace players, besides you need upgraded med kits so some people need to go MM anyway.

N4- once you're used to it you can go for extras definitely. A couple mates did a 7 bags rats run on DW just as 2 people with 2 ai supporting - snipers made dw loud much much easier. Even without snipers we've done all bags Watchdogs dw runs and routinely do Rats dw 7 bags (+ all bags on d3) and FS evidence room running exits with all d1 weapons. you can get about 2.5 mill in spending cash so they do reward you nicely.
Besides doing more DW means less repitition of mind numbing Proverkill runs of rats+fs.

[*Evil]

Originally posted by Tenndex:

My crew consists of me and my level 70 friend as he is the only one who plays PD2 on a normal basis. So i'm restricted to public games.

I would suggest you ask around in the Crews and Clans section. That's how I found 3 people to do DW heists with on a regular basis. It takes a while to learn to work together as a team, and playing with randoms means you are constantly playing with two people whose play-styles are unfamiliar to you, as are your play-styles to them.

That doesn't mean it can't be done in public lobbies, it's just that it's, well, a lot more random.

This is especially important for Transport heists, where you need your whole team to have a specific set of skills.

Also, I think having voice chat is really important in Deathwish. Even if not everyone has a microphone, it helps to be able to inform everyone when something happens that requires immediate action. Like a sneaky dozer suddenly appearing, or cloakers cloaking around, etc.

You will probably fail a lot at first, I know we did. Deathwish takes persistence. Your team has to be willing to accept a lot of failures until you learn how to approach each map properly and deal with all the RNG. But in time, as you learn to work together and learn tactics for each heist, it starts to get easier and you may even end up running some DW combat heists for the fun of it.

It's also important to have a plan before leaping into any heist. Everyone should know what their role is and what they should do. When in a pickle, looking up videos on youtube helps a lot too.

Speaking of youtube videos, here's what I think is the most fun way to do the Park Transport heist - after watching the video and adopting that tactic we managed to do this in our 2nd try, it was hilarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OxqGtPyUdg