I want to know community opinion on this mods.

[PATAPONLOL]

What do you think about silent assassin, carry stacker, p3dhack, dlc unlocker, outlined gage packages?

[they/them pussy :3]

sa, cs, and p3d are considered blatant and unjustified cheats. some care about dlc unlocker, some dont, and i dont think anyone cares about something so insignificant as a outline mod for gage packages especially when most people already know their spots.

[SiegfraTithe]

I hate all cheaters equally and even more so those who use nexusmod cheats, also DLC unlocker was defective with the appearance of hello world, downloaded content and selective downloaded content

[Patchy (sick)]

Bad on sight for everything except the unlocker, carry stacker, silent assassin and Gage package outlines, as CS and SA work only in host's lobby, and unlocker with Gage package outlines do not affect me or other players in lobby negatively in any way.

[Stalectos]

silent assassin is cheating under most settings, carry stacker is cheating under some sets of settings but if you have a speed penalty for multiple bags it's relatively ok offline or with friends (I've considered installing it to make solo heists less tedious), and outlined Gage packages is fair game as far as I'm concerned. I already modded them to be Fumos anyway because I think it's funny and them being Fumos already made them far more visible.

[PATAPONLOL]

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Bad on sight for everything except the unlocker, carry stacker, silent assassin and Gage package outlines, as CS and SA work only in host's lobby, and unlocker with Gage package outlines do not affect me or other players in lobby negatively in any way.

In that case, what about BLM? This mod works in other people's lobbies, increases damage, eliminates the need for a molotov, but at the same time every second anarchist uses it and is not considered as a cheat

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by PATAPONLOL:

What do you think about silent assassin, carry stacker, p3dhack, dlc unlocker, outlined gage packages?

what i think isnt so much as a subjective matter, apparently its an old game on a poor engine that is trying to be more than it is since the very beginning.

the development of the game has been a walk over pins, needles & broken promises.

if you try to develop a game to be a heister game, it should as a baseline never put up walls that defy gravity and sound logical thinking but rather take things slow with one heist at a time with enough time and effort to make things feel like its done with heart and passion.

if a game makes you feel like you are far less capable in "games" where innovative features and mechanical engagement should be formed with a mindset such as the 'sky is limit' than how capable you are in real life ? thats when you should stop shilling for games and start thinking what to do about mechanical engagement vs walls of artificial difficulty that only makes things time consuming and tedious rather than immersive and full of options to interact with the game worlds npcs, props & so forth.

the problem with pd2 is that theres a shill factor that goes far beyond logical & critical thinking and we can simply take the example of the players being provided the option to limit or enhance features to balance things to their own lists of modifications, it simply doesnt matter for even a split second.

"You are a cheater b-b-b-ut We LoVe MoDS"
it doesnt matter if you are served with the absolute most balanced dish youve ever been served in a 5 star restaurant because you are served by "the manager" who 'reports back to your workplace' and the conversation listener sitting around the table behind your back who is calling the manager all and at the same time.
"Would you like some salt with that ?"

my personal opinion is that mods provide balance to fit a broader audience and the ability to make very lifeless/lacking features finally begin to stand out to a point where you need keybinds to make it work.

most people wont like that opinion and will try really hard to undermine it for really no reason at all.

[Patchy (sick)]

Originally posted by PATAPONLOL:

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Bad on sight for everything except the unlocker, carry stacker, silent assassin and Gage package outlines, as CS and SA work only in host's lobby, and unlocker with Gage package outlines do not affect me or other players in lobby negatively in any way.

In that case, what about BLM? This mod works in other people's lobbies, increases damage, eliminates the need for a molotov, but at the same time every second anarchist uses it and is not considered as a cheat

Ban on sight for BLM.
Bad mod, and people who defend it are mentally ill

[Patchy (sick)]

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Originally posted by PATAPONLOL:

In that case, what about BLM? This mod works in other people's lobbies, increases damage, eliminates the need for a molotov, but at the same time every second anarchist uses it and is not considered as a cheat

Ban on sight for BLM.
Bad mod, and people who defend it are mentally ill

Might as well as tell you something.
I actually had to deal with one of these idiots who tried protecting BLM, calling it a "quality of life" Mod
And, when I told him about easy berserker methods that DO NOT require using a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheat mod, he simply called me a "gay furry p**n addict", which means that arguments are automatically invalidated.

[YourFriendDoge]

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Originally posted by PATAPONLOL:

In that case, what about BLM? This mod works in other people's lobbies, increases damage, eliminates the need for a molotov, but at the same time every second anarchist uses it and is not considered as a cheat

Ban on sight for BLM.
Bad mod, and people who defend it are mentally ill

What's BLM in payday 2? Sorry if this question seems stupid

[Patchy (sick)]

Originally posted by Your friend doge:

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Ban on sight for BLM.
Bad mod, and people who defend it are mentally ill

What's BLM in payday 2? Sorry if this question seems stupid

Berserker lives matter, mod that allows you to set your health to 0.5, giving you permanent 100% berserker

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Ban on sight for BLM.
Bad mod, and people who defend it are mentally ill

Might as well as tell you something.
I actually had to deal with one of these idiots who tried protecting BLM, calling it a "quality of life" Mod
And, when I told him about easy berserker methods that DO NOT require using a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheat mod, he simply called me a "furry porn addict", which means that arguments are automatically invalidated.

lfg -> play with people of similar preferences, no need to be a marxist narcissist.
be the grown up in the room

[Patchy (sick)]

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Might as well as tell you something.
I actually had to deal with one of these idiots who tried protecting BLM, calling it a "quality of life" Mod
And, when I told him about easy berserker methods that DO NOT require using a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheat mod, he simply called me a "furry porn addict", which means that arguments are automatically invalidated.

lfg -> play with people of similar preferences, no need to be a marxist narcissist.
be the grown up in the room

The issue I see with BLM is not only in the fact that you don't need to sacrifice anything for double damage, BUT ALSO IN THE FACT THAT IT ALLOWS YOU TO MAINTAIN STABLE 100% BERSERKER EVEN ON DECKS WITH HEALING, MEANING THAT YOU NO LONGER NEED TO STICK WITH SMALL 40% BERSERKER ONLY A FEW WEAPONS BENEFIT FROM!!!!!
look, if you want to get yourself high berserker without worrying about damage reductions and healing sources ruining it, just install berserkerQOL.

[Stalectos]

Originally posted by PATAPONLOL:

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Bad on sight for everything except the unlocker, carry stacker, silent assassin and Gage package outlines, as CS and SA work only in host's lobby, and unlocker with Gage package outlines do not affect me or other players in lobby negatively in any way.

In that case, what about BLM? This mod works in other people's lobbies, increases damage, eliminates the need for a molotov, but at the same time every second anarchist uses it and is not considered as a cheat

it's not considered a cheat by the game because the game looks for very specific things when catching cheaters. the devs more than anything else wanted to avoid false positives as much as possible so a lot of things that are strictly speaking cheating in the traditional sense aren't flagged in case it's a weird bug or exploit and to avoid situations where they change something in an update but forgot to update the cheater definition so suddenly people are getting flagged based on skill or perk deck choice. and remember it being popular doesn't mean it's not a cheat it just means people rolling around public lobbies don't expect to get kicked for using it.

[Vazkulator]

Originally posted by silly protogen :3:

Originally posted by Vazkulator:

lfg -> play with people of similar preferences, no need to be a marxist narcissist.
be the grown up in the room

The issue I see with BLM is not only in the fact that you don't need to sacrifice anything for double damage, BUT ALSO IN THE FACT THAT IT ALLOWS YOU TO MAINTAIN STABLE 100% BERSERKER EVEN ON DECKS WITH HEALING, MEANING THAT YOU NO LONGER NEED TO STICK WITH SMALL 40% BERSERKER ONLY A FEW WEAPONS BENEFIT FROM!!!!!
look, if you want to get yourself high berserker without worrying about damage reductions and healing sources ruining it, just install berserkerQOL.

in other words, you should balance it to a point where it makes sense/feels immersive and like you are actaully engaging with mechanical gameplay if that mechanic feels "engaging" at all to begin with.

i do not know if it provides these options or not but does it matter if it does provide the otpions or is it 100% bad ? i personally dont find berserker builds fun so i dont really care.

[Patchy (sick)]

Originally posted by Stalectos:

Originally posted by PATAPONLOL:

In that case, what about BLM? This mod works in other people's lobbies, increases damage, eliminates the need for a molotov, but at the same time every second anarchist uses it and is not considered as a cheat

it's not considered a cheat by the game because the game looks for very specific things when catching cheaters. the devs more than anything else wanted to avoid false positives as much as possible so a lot of things that are strictly speaking cheating in the traditional sense aren't flagged in case it's a weird bug or exploit and to avoid situations where they change something in an update but forgot to update the cheater definition so suddenly people are getting flagged based on skill or perk deck choice. and remember it being popular doesn't mean it's not a cheat it just means people rolling around public lobbies don't expect to get kicked for using it.

Game's anti cheat literally does nothing tbh.
Like, with just a few lines of code, I can easily make myself mod that gives me 10000+ health with 99% damage reduction from frenzy, turning me into stronger variant of built-in bots that can tank 1000+ zeal shots